A Crapola Wrap-up

I’ll try to wrap up recent crapola so I can move on to my point about the creator of ‘24’ and how he fits into HTWRW. I will say, however, that the recent crapola is exactly on point of that subject; it’s not me going off to ‘settle some personal score.’ Anyone thinking this isn’t paying attention.

“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” (Ron Suskind, NYTimes Magazine, Oct. 17, 2004, quoting Karl Rove).

How is this psychopathic diarrhea any different from Giannini’s ‘We each have our own version of the truth’? I mean aside from a matter of degree, i.e., a two-bit lawyer’s attempt at maintaining self-image vs. a really ‘successful’ technocrat’s PTB bluster? Same philosophy of HTWRW behind it, right?

No photos, such is my disgust in writing this. Only a cliche pointing out how we got here.

No photos, such is my disgust in writing this. Only a cliche pointing out how we got here.

Sure, this is all on point.

The matter of ‘Lou’s Comment’ can be settled with a simple viewing of the Walter Video; this is Lou’s mind at work, his perception of cause and effect. Does anyone really think Lou understands the evidence I present in the video? The proof of media fabrication of WTC images? No, Lou believes Walter ‘saw the light’ prior to the second interview. Otherwise why his silence in the face of my repeated requests for a simple opinion on the matter?

As with everyone like him, Lou retreats to vague generalities that sound good (to him) but are, again, no more than ‘pure wind.’ Likewise, no answer to my suggestion that he get specific in his labeling of my ‘fringe theories’ as ‘phantasmas’, i.e., my fantasies, my insanity.

I’ve purposefully stayed out of the comment fray, being curious how you all would handle these matters without my input, and the comments have been interesting, if sometimes wishy-washy. This one from Eric, however, stands out:

“Test the boundaries of traditional views” is a cop out. You have to realize that if even ONE of Allan’s claims are accurate, it would completely shatter the entire paradigm of “traditional views”. You can’t just dip your toes in the water for fun and claim a disdain for those who are not afraid to jump in. Yours is the cowardly position. You would be better off just clinging fully to the beliefs of the masses than some half-assed “test the boundaries” crap.

Bingo. Eric sums up perfectly the result when critical thinking is absent. Lou, being the stereotypic ‘liberal’ who wants to think himself ‘open-minded’ – maybe his motive for following my blog to begin with — indeed would be better off without that pretension. That, or come on, Lou, tell us what you think of Walter’s 180 flip in the video? What’s the problem? (See my addendum re his new comment; in 1,000 words not one mentions the video.)

I’ll tell you the problem: Eric’s comment would roar back: If even one of those WTC images is indeed fabricated (as they all so obviously are)… and I’ll quote Eric… ‘it would completely shatter [Lou’s] entire paradigm of “traditional views”.’ And Lou knows how easily you’d tear him apart if he accepted the flip-flop. (He’s no doubt read the video comments and noticed the 54 to 1 thumbs ups.)

Notice how I harp on specifics? Because otherwise it’s just more of that pure wind blowing.

Addendum: Speaking of ‘pure wind’ (and thinking of Orwell), for proof (right from the horse’s mouth) that all I said here is true, look at Lou’s new comment; it’s at the top now, as I write. Truly, anyone who wants to understand the mentality that is at the bottom, the very root, of why this country is in its current state, needs only read the utter garbage he spills; going on 1,000 words, I estimate. This is an educated man! This is what we are up against!

Speaking of which, I can settle the matter of Joe the same way, with specifics, and I’ll speak directly to him here: Joe, everything I claim about you must be… untruthful, right? Let’s call it what it must be: A lie. Or I’m truly insane. (Didn’t one of the commenters make this point? That one of us, you or me, must be a psychopath? Another Bingo!)

I made it all up!

Why couldn’t you say this, Joe? If someone accused me of those personally heinous/greedy/cowardly acts, I’d surely not say (imagine a squeaky voice) ‘..we each have our own versions of the truth.’

Fuck no. I’d be outraged. My disappointment in the comments is that no one noticed this. (‘Kurt’ sort of did.) Who out there would put up with my accusations and respond in this pansy-ass way? Especially an ex-Marine! (What was with that ‘Poncho Rotation’ crapola? What does it have to do with anything? Something about Semper fi? Talk about misdirection! Did anyone fall for that?)

But again: Where is your outrage?!

Bear with me as I list a few details of the things I must have made up in my accusations, in my version of the truth: The emails wherein I ask you to bring down the bumper pool table and you say ‘I’ll try’ and I reply ‘Please just do it’ and you reply ‘FUCK YOU!’

Those emails never existed, right? Why would they… if your version of the truth were correct?

And the money. A check from me to you for $5,000… that surely never existed, right? (Funny how I can picture the back of it even now, your signature on the endorsement line. You have ‘short’ handwriting, don’t you? Yeah, funny how I can picture that.)

You know where I’m going, being a lawyer (one whose big thrill is defeating ‘justice’ by getting off a guilty client). So I ask you, and as a subscriber here for four years you are surely reading this:

What will be your response if I produce the above evidence? This is my question and to which I expect and answer.

Allan

Maybe you believe in Karl Rove’s version of reality creation. If that’s it, just say so. We’ll all understand. (Or will you switch to outrage, now that I’ve planted that seed?)

  94 comments for “A Crapola Wrap-up

  1. Steve
    September 4, 2018 at 8:06 pm

    Rather than worrying whether people think 9/11 was an inside job or not, it may well worth shifting priorities to the future of the USA. It appears it’s on course to become a third world nation and this is no theory. Check the following if you’re not already familiar with the content it may well shock. I say the truth movement is distraction from what is really not hidden at all.

    https://youtu.be/ZBsVKZqLbUg

    • Kimberlie
      September 4, 2018 at 11:56 pm

      Ah, Steve~ I wish I hadn’t watched the video you recommended! I live in So. California!
      ( https://youtu.be/ZBsVKZqLbUg )…………….. After watching this 20 minute video, I’m now in the zone of Information Overload! However, there now is no doubt in my mind what the PTB have in mind for the unnecessary nibblers and useful idiots. Think about it: They have attained the position to make the laws, the food, the poisons to make us sick – everything we need, desire, lust over – and have gleefully gone to the bank with it because they see to it that we, one way or another, $$$$$pay$$$$$ for our own demise. We have been corralled into the position to obey what they dictate to a higher degree than not obey.

      What is the End Game?

      I remember during OdumbNuts 2008 campaign for President when he said, “Home ownership will be a thing of the past”….(Cheering audience in the background!) here we have car ownership will be a thing of the past…… (and brainwashed Californians standing and clapping!)……

      Again, what is the End game? Simply to lord over the masses. The PTB will be the king of the hill. There will be no insurrection because everyone will be dumbed down. Those who have knowledge of what’s happening will die out and all ‘new’ births will be trained in the way they should go according the dictates of the PTB.

      I know, I know: don’t shoot the messenger. I won’t. Thank you for this very valuable video.
      ~Kimberlie

  2. Hank
    August 31, 2018 at 3:02 pm

    The truth of the 9-11 false flag attack is, quite obviously, also under attack by the perpetrators. They seek to divide, discredit, and obstruct the 9-11 truth movement. One of their main tactics is disinformation. Claiming that no planes hit the towers is, of course, bat shit crazy and makes truthers look like deluded nut jobs. What better way to discredit the 9-11 truth movement than to portray their advocates as deluded nut jobs? The planes were not hijacked. They were guided to their targets remotely. After the plane strikes, the twin towers were demolished via a top down detonation of high tech explosives. WTC7 was also, quite obviously and quite provably, a controlled demolition. Military grade nano-thermitic material was discovered in steel and dust samples by a team of 9 international scientists. Talk of no planes, holograms, space beams, and nuclear bombs are all intended to make truthers look like nut jobs. All these crackpot “theories” have been disproved and rejected by *all* credible, qualified, and professional 9-11 researchers. Avoid anyone who mindlessly parrots or promotes them,
    http://911speakout.org

    • August 31, 2018 at 7:02 pm

      Over the years I have often gotten similar messages (via email) from a guy named ‘Henry’; I have to ask if ‘Hank’ is ‘Henry’… No? Okay, but here’s some language from an email by ‘Henry’:

      …’claiming no planes hit the towers divides, discredits, and obstructs the 9-11 truth effort, is a waste of time, alienates “fence sitters”, and gives the real terrorists just the sort of thing they need to convince people that truthers are deluded nut jobs?’

      Notice the identical phraseology: ‘divide, discredit, and obstruct the 9-11 truth movement’ and of course the ‘deluded nut jobs’ beaut. And that was just one archived email I looked at.

      That my old pal ‘Henry’ (who emailed me dozens of times over the years) might be the ‘Hank’ of the above comment is merely a possibility, which I point out re the question of whether we have a troll of some sort in our midst. I could be flat wrong on this, plus the result of a comment like the above is relatively benign: A slight distraction and ‘waste’ of our time. What usually happens is that the comments get more divisive and combative; more of a distraction.

      But in case ‘Hank’ is for real, I would only ask him to view my Walter video and explain why the PTB would need to fabricate imagery if planes really hit the WTC. (I won”t even get into his use of the term ‘space beams’ in referring to DEWs, or his bald denigration of the hologram idea.)

      • Kimberlie
        August 31, 2018 at 7:45 pm

        Allan~
        Thank you again for this Comment section. It is surely possible Hank and Henry are one and the same. I’m curious what he thinks, how he responds after watching your Walter video. To those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, Hank/Henry’s response should reveal what you need to know about him.
        ‘Space beams’? Indeed! we’ll see…………….
        ~Kimberlie

        • August 31, 2018 at 8:37 pm

          Yep: Come on Hank/Henry, give us a ‘reveal’!

          • Hank
            September 9, 2018 at 4:48 pm

            I just saw this thanks to a comment by Todd in another post. Yes, that’s me. I use both Hank and Henry. Is there a way to get notifications of replies?
            Allan, In response to your question, “why the PTB would need to fabricate imagery if planes really hit the WTC”, I haven’t seen any evidence of fabricated imagery of planes hitting the towers. But if there are any fabricated videos, I’d say they were produced to foment confusion and discord in the 9-11 truth movement, which is probably the reason the surveillance videos of the Pentagon strike remain secret.
            I have seen other faked videos, though. Here’s a fake video of WTC7’s demolition. I have no idea who made it, but I can guess why – to foment confusion, discord, and make truthers look foolish.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiQzt-UmHq8

    • September 1, 2018 at 8:38 am

      Personally I think people like you have turned the so called “Truth Movement” into a religious cult.

      As far as I’m concerned the “no planers” have as much right to their opinion about what happened as any one else.

      Also those in Judy Woods crowd who promote Directed Energy Weapons as well.

      None of the above theories are as crazy as the idea that aluminum planes could penetrate tempered steel of reinforced concrete.

      https://nomoregames.net/2006/03/05/we-have-some-holes-in-the-plane-stories/

      https://youtu.be/25vlt7swhCM

      Nor as wacky as believing that jet fuel and burning office furniture could not only bring down the Twin Towers but building 7 as well which wasn’t even struck by a plane!

      http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html

      My view is that there was at least one missile camouflaged as plane after the first one hit the North Tower and that the Towers and Building 7 were brought down by Nukes.

      This seems to me the most plausible theory see:

      https://youtu.be/2-gHYAMkbTM

      http://impiousdigest.com/204061-2/

      Hey but I’m willing to be proven wrong. Unlike others who promote the “nanothermite” theory with no proof that it actually exists:

      http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Thermite

      which discusses different types of thermite compounds used by the military. Note no mention of “nanothermite”.

      Whereas nukes have existed for almost seven decades now.

      So why would you complain about others having such exotic theories as holograms or energy weapons?

      Seems hypocritical too me.

      Just saying.

  3. jnan
    August 29, 2018 at 11:35 pm

    WOW… what a wonderful explosion for my brain! Crapola and comments, a feast to be sure. Up, down, in out , round and round … where it stops/goes nobody knows…
    I have been on this ‘truth’ journey for years, lost family and friends because I dared to be different, dared to question and dared to say so. In the end, I have come to ask myself… is it worth it? I have always been a loner [mostly by choice] but… I have never been lonelier.
    It’s not the absence of people per se….
    ” Loneliness does not come from having no people about one, but from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to ones self, or from holding certain views which others find inadmissible”. Carl Jung.
    Perhaps, just perhaps this is at least one reason most will not stray from the flock.
    I have come to believe it’s a numbers game and the reason I keep trying…. but I personally don’t have the numbers. Will I do things differently because of it … doubtful…. I would like nothing more than to see those scales tip toward the light/truth…. but it sure is lonely. We all have choices to make and darkness to see or not … it’s as always, one’s own point of view.

    • Phil Gobie
      August 30, 2018 at 2:56 am

      Very well said. I can relate very well with your description of loneliness. It is tiring to attempt to interact with people when I am on such a differnt page altogether. It is futile to try and explain any of what you see as falsities because there are so many layers. I am realizing they have to want it and dig for it themselves.

  4. Josie
    August 29, 2018 at 11:25 pm

    I swear to God my IQ has gone up a millionty two points just reading all this stuff lol…you crowd are brilliant, look at what you’ve created Allan..👏

    • August 29, 2018 at 11:30 pm

      It’s true. I’m blown away by just sitting back and reading the backs-and-forths.

      • Kimberlie
        August 30, 2018 at 4:43 pm

        On another note: Have you noticed all the Chemtrails lately – an overabundance – and the new way they are dispersing them? The Chemtrails are now being manipulated into puffs – appearing to be clouds. Those same people who have no critical thinking skills deny anything is going on – that those are contrails or clouds – and its business as usual. Now, because Chemtrails are the new normal, the children coming into the world see them as clouds or contrails. ugh. OPEN your eyes people/sheeple!

        • Todd
          August 31, 2018 at 5:34 am

          Kimberlie – The clouds are certainly not what they used to be. Sometimes the lines are more subtle and could be broken up into smaller sections I suppose. I have noticed some wisps of clouds that I know are chemtrails without the obvious lines around them due to the “feathering”. Even though I look up each day cursing the fuck-heads in charge when I see them, I’ll take a closer look. This is one topic that really really gets me angry as it’s something that’s out of my control. One thing I still don’t understand is how they don’t poison themselves in the process. Or maybe they do and gon’t give a shit. Collateral damage maybe?

          • Kimberlie
            August 31, 2018 at 10:04 pm

            Hi Todd~ What I’m seeing in this neck of the woods at first was obvious Chemtrails that were straight lines in the sky that wouldn’t disappear after a few minutes like contrails do. This has been going on for – maybe 8 to 10 years. Now, as of appx two months ago, those lines are being ‘zapped’ (for loss of a concise word) into feathery-type puffs resembling clouds. I can stand outside and watch ‘them’ manipulate the straight lines into ‘clouds’. They do this in a matter of minutes. Interesting and nerve wracking to actually see it happening, knowing there ain’t a thang I can do about it, ‘cept be aware. Anyone else out there see what’s going on ‘up there’?

  5. August 29, 2018 at 9:23 pm

    For what it’s worth I’ll paste in here a chunk of ‘A Crapola Wrap-Up’ that I edited out of the post as it appeared. It was just ‘too much stuff’ for that post, but it may be of some value to those wondering how Lou’s mind works (and mine too). Here it is:

    Watching the [Montauk] film, with all these folks I know so well, an image came to mind. It was six or so years ago, at a party at Lou and Connie’s house on the road facing the surf break at Ditch Plains (where most of the surf shots in ‘Montauk’ were filmed). Many of those in the film were there, plus Walter and his wife, Eva.

    I’m talking to Lou and Walter about probabilities in sports, football betting, I recall. I was saying that if you average out over a season, any one game can be said to be a 50-50 proposition, meaning which team will win. And if you pick a team at random the odds that it would win, say, six games in a row is easily calculable: 1 in 64. No, Walter and Lou both insisted, it depends on the team. No, I replied, that’s where random comes in. If you don’t know which team you’re picking, the odds are 1 in 64.

    It was one of those things that it is unimportant but which suddenly became very important, because my friends were not thinking clearly. Whenever I’d say ‘a team picked at random’ they’d both laugh at my ignorance and respond that the odds ‘…depend on the team!’ (Yes, a better team is more likely to win six games in a row but if you don’t know what team is involved in the wager, the odds are 1 in 64. I’d made it very clear that you don’t know before making the bet which team you’re picking. That such a bet is unlikely to be made is not the point.)

    I recall that it was their contempt for my ignorance that set me off, but I finally yelled, right in Lou’s face, ‘Have you never heard of critical thinking?’ Well, the party went dead silent; Walter took a step back.[As I recall, no one at the party (many of whom you see in the film) understood my point.]

    Obviously, this wasn’t an important subject, like, say (in the second interview) Walter’s refusal to see what he’d clearly seen just a few days before, i.e., that the footage of airplanes hitting the WTC was fabricated. This was a meaningless bullshit disagreement. But I could not let it alone: That someone I knew refused to see something that was completely obvious drove me up the wall. This was especially the case with Walter, who, being maybe the best living sports photographer, is something of an expert on sports-related issues. (This of course counts doubly in his view of the images of 9/11.)

    And say what you will but for me this dumbass dispute reflects the problem underlying what is wrong with human beings who actually do ‘mean well.’ You can mean well all you want but without critical thought – yes, ‘following the evidence’ wherever it leads – we are… lost.

    • Eric
      August 29, 2018 at 9:37 pm

      You were obviously 100% correct about the probabilities involved. What can be so especially frustrating about situations like that is the absolute certainty with which people will argue back against you, and almost with PITY like they feel bad for you that you cannot understand. In actuality, it was YOU who perfectly understood their (incorrect) counter-point, yet you were arguing something completely different that they failed to grasp. I can see the connection you are drawing in the 9/11 argument. They cling to a belief, failing to let go of their own ingrained idea that prevents them from thinking critically. Frustrating as hell, and certainly a perfect example of Lou and how we got here. Sadly too common in your average person these days (speaking of averages).

      Off-topic, but this reminds me of the Monty Hall Problem. Don’t ever try to argue with someone about that! They will fight you to the death that they are correct and refuse to give in no matter how wrong they ultimately are!

      http://www.statisticshowto.com/probability-and-statistics/monty-hall-problem/

      • August 29, 2018 at 11:07 pm

        Without looking i assume it’s the Which door should you pick once they reveal an empty door problem. A doozy!

      • mellyrn
        August 30, 2018 at 12:20 am

        Thank you for that link. The explanations always left me cold, and “try it yourself” doesn’t cut it (story below). But the “Parade Magazine” layout *showed* me why it works, and the chart from the 1975 version did so even better. I’d never (ever) *seen* it before, really *seen* it.

        Why “try it yourself” doesn’t serve: a guy in my high school algebra class arrived 6 minutes late to class. Mr. W’s rule was 10 minutes of detention after school for each minute late. Mr. W didn’t want to stay an extra hour any more than Guy did, so he offered to flip a coin for it, double or nothing.

        Guy called heads. Coin came up tails. TWO hours of detention.

        Aw, crap, thinks Mr. W, and laughs and says, Another chance.

        Guy calls heads. Coin = tails. FOUR hours detention.

        On it went, Guy relentlessly calling heads, coin landing tails until he had racked up 128 hours of detention.

        Guy broke, called tails, coin came up heads. 256 hours of detention.

        Mr. W opened his desk, took out an honest-to-god medal on a red white and blue ribbon, draped it over Guy’s neck and let him off from detention for so beautifully illustrating probability for the class.

        • Eric
          August 30, 2018 at 1:20 am

          The critical thing to understand is that the host MUST reveal to you an incorrect door, and he knows where the prize is. So ultimately, either your original guess was correct (1/3) or it was wrong (2/3) and the host will always be revealing the location of the prize. Since there are two incorrect doors and one prize, when your original guess is wrong (2/3), the host is only left with an incorrect door and the prize. Since he must always reveal to you an incorrect door, his elimination when your guess was wrong will 100% always reveal the location of the prize. That is the way I have always remembered it to understand it. When your original guess was wrong (2/3), the host’s elimination always reveals the location of the prize.

      • Kimberlie
        September 1, 2018 at 12:54 am

        Exactly, Eric. They will fight you tooth and nail to the end once they are cemented into believing the Lie as truth. Their neural pathways have been tweaked and redirected to always choose the Lie when presented with the Truth – especially a Truth the Group believes to be a lie. Sadly, they are incapable of critical thinking. This is most troubling to us when it involves our loved ones.

    • X
      August 29, 2018 at 10:01 pm

      Diversity is a strength of h sapiens.
      Some people are good detectives.
      Some people are psychopaths.
      Some people are conscientious.
      Some people are good at maths.
      etc.
      It’s up to you to be good at what you’re good at. Mankind does not fail because others are not good at what you’re good at.
      If you can help others, great, but sometimes a skill/aptitude/faculty cannot be conferred upon another, no matter how hard you try.
      And yes, it can be a bummer when those you would like to continue respecting, are unable to continue respecting you, because you’ve revealed yourself as an apostate to them (perhaps in the hope they would follow).
      That’s why it’s easier for strangers to explore awakening, than friends, for the strangers have no friendship to risk losing.
      So, when it comes to exploring deceptions, and the reasons for them, strangers are your best friends. 😉

    • jw
      August 29, 2018 at 11:17 pm

      Have to go with you on this one. I think this is a sound argument.

      Each game produces one winner and one loser. Therefore the expected number of wins in the season for a randomly chosen team is the total number of games played divided by the number of teams. But this is also its expected number of losses. Thus probability of that team winning a given game is 1/2, and your claim follows.

      • X
        August 30, 2018 at 8:16 am

        Perhaps it can be simplified?

        Due to corruption, Team A always wins and Team B always loses.
        If you are to toss a coin to see which team you are to support, the probability of your team winning is 50%.

        The trouble with this is that it is mathematical pedantry, and non-mathematicians can’t help but interpret things in a ‘more useful’ way.

        They’d probably say that it can’t be 50/50 because Team A is much better than Team B (also putting the alleged corruption down as a ‘conspiracy theory’).

        Again, different folks for different strokes.

        If TPTB need to communicate something to the percipient, via broadcast media, without greatly disturbing the non-percipient, why not create deceptions with ‘give-away’ clues that should make the really percipient deduce that TPTB are trying to tell them something, e.g. “Wake up and smell the coffee!”.

        Trouble is, it’s hard finding folk who’ve stopped obsessing over the deceptions and have realised they are being spurred to figure something out…

      • jw
        August 30, 2018 at 10:57 pm

        maybe I was wrong.

        I pick a team at random and then bet it will win a game chosen at random from its schedule. The probability I win my bet is 1/2. The probability that I can win this way 6 times in a row is 1/64. I am essentially flipping a coin.

        It is not clear to me that this is the probability that a randomly selected team will begin (or have) a 6 game win streak. But whatever that probability , it does not depend upon the team. I don’t think that makes sense.

        The comment section really adds to the blog, imo. Best wishes.

        • August 30, 2018 at 11:28 pm

          In retrospect, it’s unbelievable I was so dumb to waste 4 years (with no comments). Thank Mike, who finally goaded me into figuring out how to enable them.

    • Kimberlie
      August 30, 2018 at 12:01 am

      Yes, without critical thinking skills (which the PTB have exponentially buried from the consciousness and sub consciousness of human beings for the last 40+ years via mass media, entertainment, and education) there is no intelligent communication between two people. Everything becomes a flat-lined boring parley between oneself and oneself.

      Once they have been groomed and accepted into Group Think, sure, you can talk to them, they’ll “get it” for that moment of Truth and then ‘jump track’ and get back to their ‘safe place’ – on their own (HA! more like Group) truth track…

      On another note: Have you noticed all the Chemtrails lately – an overabundance – and the new way they are dispersing them? The Chemtrails are now being manipulated into puffs – appearing to be clouds. Those same people who have no critical thinking skills deny anything is going on – that those are contrails or clouds – and its business as usual. Now, because Chemtrails are the new normal, the children coming into the world see them as clouds or contrails. ugh. OPEN your eyes people/sheeple!

  6. August 29, 2018 at 7:21 pm

    I have to say it again: i’m truly honored that so many smart humans have given up some of their time and attention to my little blog. It inspires me to ‘do better.’ Gracias, amigos!

    • Kimberlie
      August 30, 2018 at 12:29 am

      Allan, Thank you for opening my eyes to Truths I could not have fathomed as quickly without your pointing them out. I’m smiling right now just thinking of the high regards I have for you. It takes much courage to do what you’re doing – but, it couldn’t be any other way. You have eyes that see and ears that hear. I trust you and I admire you for your role in my quest for knowledge, understanding, and wisdom. Thank you Allan.

  7. Todd
    August 29, 2018 at 6:19 pm

    What an exhaustive effort Lou and Joe’s stories have caused us here. Think of all the cycles of energy we’ve used to attempt to get Lou to even look at a piece of evidence AND then to use his own noodle to make an informed opinion.

    Reminds me of the fight scene in “They Live” where Roddy Piper, unfortunately, looses the fight trying to have his friend just put the glassed on so he, too, can see the LIES and hidden TRUTHS.
    h#ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdqkbradtuw

    Roddy seeing the LIES and TRUTH for the first time:
    h#ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgAwdixodjw

    • X
      August 29, 2018 at 7:47 pm

      The lesson here isn’t for Lou, but for those who need to see that they cannot remake others in their own image.

      Live and let live.

      Move on. 911 is the starting pistol. You have many miles to go before you sleep*. If you hang around here for too long, over-reassuring yourselves that 911 was not what it was purported to be, you won’t get anywhere. :-/

      * Snowy Evening
      ————————-
      Whose woods these are I think I know.
      His house is in the village though;
      He will not see me stopping here
      To watch his woods fill up with snow.

      My little horse must think it queer
      To stop without a farmhouse near
      Between the woods and frozen lake
      The darkest evening of the year.

      He gives his harness bells a shake
      To ask if there is some mistake.
      The only other sound’s the sweep
      Of easy wind and downy flake.

      The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
      But I have promises to keep,
      And miles to go before I sleep,
      And miles to go before I sleep.

      • Todd
        August 29, 2018 at 9:16 pm

        This blog IS about moving on. Allan’s topics are focused mostly on everything but 911. Sometimes, you need to re-review past topics so new people who are just waking up can better understand the complex issues surrounding us.

        Keep in mind, not everyone heard or saw the pistol that day – some were not even born yet. Someone will need to help guide them. If we followed your “Live and let live” advice, then we should just do nothing but sit idly by and let it ride. People will just wake-up by themselves. I could not disagree more. If it wasn’t for those truthers getting the word out, I may have missed the message(s) and wouldn’t be here today.

        I encourage all to keep spreading the word and NEVER give up.

        • X
          August 29, 2018 at 10:12 pm

          Todd, I meant ‘live & let live’ in the sense of not attempting to deprogram those not inclined.

          By all means spread the revelations to all those with eyes to see.

          But do not take anyone to task because they prefer to remain in denial – however much that may offend one’s sensibilities.

          • Todd
            August 29, 2018 at 10:50 pm

            Thanks for the clarification X. Makes sense to me.

      • pt
        August 29, 2018 at 10:57 pm

        Christ, X… wait: that’s redundant. Start again.
        Good grief, X, couldn’t you have picked a better platitude than “live and let live”? Given the context, the irony is almost physically painful. How many people have died because Americans bought, and continue to buy, the Enormous Lie that is 9/11? It’s not an exagerration to say the number is in the millions.

        Also (in the unlikely event that there’s anyone here who wouldn’t know a poet if one bit them in the butt) that poem, ‘Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening’, is by Robert Frost, not by Christ himself. Interesting aside: Frost’s ‘The Road Not Taken’ is all about self-delusion. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44272/the-road-not-taken

        • X
          August 30, 2018 at 7:23 am

          pt,

          With all the deceptions that there are, I have no idea as to the extent of deaths (collateral damage) caused by the Military Industrial Complex.

          As to ‘The Road Not Taken’, this is no doubt a reference to True Thomas. See my comment ‘August 27, 2018 at 9:03 am’ at http://blog.banditobooks.com/yesterdays-troubles

          And yes, Christ/Jesus is indirectly related, but the cross that my nom de plume refers to is far more ancient – indeed, is a simplification of the oldest human construct known. Jesus is a symbol of the cross, not vice versa (as most assume).

          • pt
            August 30, 2018 at 4:32 pm

            The X comment was meant purely as humor (another pun bites the dust), and there was no True Thomas reference because I’m unfamiliar with that. The Road Not Taken is the tale of a man who choses one road over another purely at random, but foresees himself representing the choice as somehow pivotal later in life, by lying about the nature of the roads.

          • X
            August 30, 2018 at 6:24 pm

            Yes pt, but ROBERT FROST was familiar with True Thomas. Read my comment and check my links in it for further reading. I daresay Frost was having fun with his reference to True Thomas.

      • Kimberlie
        August 30, 2018 at 4:20 pm

        X, Yes, the Elect are awakening….. they are the ones with ears to hear and eyes to see. There are times though when it becomes tiring and sleep looks inviting. I like your analogy in connecting the dots…. Yes,

        “The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
        But I have promises to keep,
        And miles to go before I sleep,
        And miles to go before I sleep.”

        Thank you for helping me enter the next level of deep critical thinking. Whoa, I’m going to spend much time meditating on what you’ve brought to the table here. Very kind regards to you!! May the Lord Jesus bless you and keep you safe!

        • X
          August 30, 2018 at 6:59 pm

          Well, Kimberlie, as you mention Jesus, a possible next level of deep critical thinking would be to look in to him a tad more critically, e.g. http://solarmythology.com/bibleastrology.htm

          • Kimberlie
            August 30, 2018 at 8:32 pm

            Thank you, X, for the site reference concerning, in essence, the Son of God being astrologically the same as the Sun of the universe…. the twelve disciples being the same as the twelve astrological signs, etc. (The play on words is no play on words: Sun vs Son). It is meant to confuse the un-Elect. I welcome more site references from you. I think what you have to say is refreshing, with a twist.

            Yes, X, I have looked into and studied Jesus more than a ‘tad more critically’. Being ‘safe’ in the sense of the world is different than being safe in the Spirit. Our souls are a stake.

            There will come a time when ALL will become aware of Jesus Christ as the One and ONLY Savior. ALL knees shall bow before the Lord Jesus and EVERY mouth shall proclaim Jesus Christ is Lord of lords and King of kings. Satan knows this, so he’s revved up the effort to snare all those he can trick into going to his side; losing their souls to eternal damnation – a separation from God for ALL eternity.

            The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob IS in control.

            X, how is it with your soul?

            On another note: Have you noticed all the Chemtrails lately – an overabundance – and the new way they are dispersing them? The Chemtrails are now being manipulated into puffs – appearing to be clouds. Those same people who have no critical thinking skills deny anything is going on – that those are contrails or clouds – and its business as usual. Now, because Chemtrails are the new normal, the children coming into the world see them as clouds or contrails.

            Very kind regards,
            ~Kimberlie

          • X
            August 30, 2018 at 9:12 pm

            Kimberlie, the story of Jesus (etymologically from ‘good man’) is retold every æon (2,000 years), but with different names. Each time, the good man is crucified, and the key is the cross.

            The cross is the key, the key to be preserved across the æons.

            https://grahamhancock.com/mithras-and-jesus-barbierof2/

  8. Philip
    August 29, 2018 at 5:56 pm

    knowing metal well, as it was my career. Airplanes are made mostly of aluminum which is a very soft metal. Strong and light weight are its virtues for making airplanes. Easily checked if you care to. Now go watch a main stream video of the planes hitting the towers. They cut through heavy steel beams like a knife through butter. Quite impossible. In reality what they would do is go splat. Very little would penetrate the buildings. So clearly the videos are fake. As for eye witnesses yes there were plants to spread the official narrative, but also how many people do you suppose were standing around looking at the towers before the first plane hit? What most of the honest people who say they saw planes hit the buildings simply did not. What they saw possibly with the second tower was the explosions. Then they rush to a tv and see it there and it then becomes in their mind the reality 0f what they saw.

  9. Richard
    August 29, 2018 at 5:42 pm

    Joe’s “poncho rotation”: completely irrelevant . Had not even the most tenuous relevance to anything that was raised. A self aggrandising, pseudo intellectual exercise in autofellatio .
    Any effort to turn his perspective would be futile; there would be no “Honcho Rotation”, just more “Pronto Conflation”.
    Lou’s comment was so thick with irony that it beggars belief. The admission of zero intellectual effort on his part didn’t for a second impede his arrogant disparagement of your view. His cogent reasoning evidenced by the statement that he is happy to ignore your opinion as it not “consensus” yet, happy to dismiss 1.2 billion Catholics who are amongst the 84% of the world’s population who do believe in a Deity. You can’t have it both ways.
    I will sum up with:
    “Reasoning will never make a man correct an ill opinion, which by reasoning he never acquired”

  10. Todd
    August 29, 2018 at 3:51 pm

    I think Lou is scared shit-less. He’ll shit his pants if he actually follows the evidence towards the truth. My gut tells me deep down, he knows something “just-ain’t-right”. This is his psychological defense mechanism to protect himself so he can sleep better at night.

    All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

  11. jw
    August 29, 2018 at 2:51 pm

    Allan- it seems you are in the “no planes hit the towers” group, is that right?
    I did not get that directly from the Walter clip, but it seems to be so.

    My question is about eyewitnesses who say they saw the planes hit. Also people reported plane debris all over the place, as you would expect.
    Clearly if a single one of these eyewitnesses is correct, then “no planes” is dead.

    What do you think about this testimony?

    http://debunkingnoplanes.blogspot.com/2014/02/first-responder-eye-witnesses-of-planes.html

    Hope this does not mark me as one of the “sheeple”, but so be it. I have been called worse.
    Best wishes.

    BTW- do I think Bush et al. expected an attack of some kind and made no attempt to stop it? Hard to prove, but they were capable of that. They wanted an excuse for war.

    • Todd
      August 29, 2018 at 3:55 pm

      jw, do you homework.

      For example:
      Show me thy plane in that there Pentagon!
      Show me thy plane in that hole-in-the-ground that they refer as Shanksville where they claim thy plane went into an old abandoned mine!

      • jw
        August 29, 2018 at 4:09 pm

        “My question is about the eyewitnesses who say they saw the planes hit.” ( WTC )

        What is the answer? Seems like that should be addressed.

        http://debunkingnoplanes.blogspot.com/2014/02/first-responder-eye-witnesses-of-planes.html

        • Todd
          August 29, 2018 at 4:18 pm

          Look at physical evidence first. Eye witness testimony has always been a problem, even in court cases. However, to answer your question, have you heard of “plants” or you may know them as agents… You know, the kinds of crisis-actors you see all around at these ‘events’….

          • jw
            August 29, 2018 at 6:08 pm

            All the eyewitnesses were either “plants” or just wrong?

            ok. Thanks for your response.

          • Todd
            August 29, 2018 at 6:48 pm

            jw, I think Philip answered your question above. Use your own noodle and laws of physics and chemistry to understand the difference between aluminum and boxed steel. You can even do this in your own backyard. Take an aluminum can and throw it at a piece of boxed steel (purchased from any h/w store). Or, take a piece of box steel and swing it at the can.

            Now, tell me what will happen when you do this simple experiment at home? Don’t give a cop-out answer either, we’ve all done our homework.

          • Buckeroo
            August 29, 2018 at 10:14 pm

            The towers were most probably hit with droned planes equipped with high explosives and proximity fuses. The towers themselves were probably retrofitted with smacsonic insulation that burns instantly at the temperature of some 5,000 degrees I believe which would disintegrate the buildings.

    • Phil Gobie
      August 29, 2018 at 6:05 pm

      It goes back farther than that in my view. Things I’ve looked at lead me to believe the towers where actually built for this purpose. If this where true the planing goes way back. This would indicate its really use a part of a big plan. GLOBELIZATION !

      • Steve
        September 4, 2018 at 5:10 pm

        The introduction of the new 911 dialing code was introduced in 1968 the year construction started. 2001 a Space Odyssey also released that year along with GWB graduation. All a coincidence I am sure.

  12. Gregory Oberman
    August 29, 2018 at 1:51 pm

    Looking foward to the ’24’ blog…done with crapola:)

  13. Mark R
    August 29, 2018 at 1:37 pm

    In time Lou may come across an event (falseflag/ personal) that rocks him to the core and finds out MSM /government has a totally different narrative to what he has personally witnessed. Cognitive dissonance dissolves and an intriguing mind comes to the forefront…..here’s hoping.

    • Kimberlie
      September 1, 2018 at 3:49 am

      Mark R, I agree with you.. I hope Lou’s cognitive dissonance dissolves and his eyes are opened to the Truth.

      The Lord is patient toward all, not willing for any to perish, but all to come to repentance (Truth). ~2 Peter 3:9

  14. Lou
    August 29, 2018 at 1:16 pm

    I admit that I did not research the video evidence Allan presented to Walter nor the physics of building 7 falling. I don’t have the expertise to do so. I am relying, however, on my deduction that there are millions of people out in the world who are not participants in the conspiracy who do have the expertise and energy and impetus to follow up on those questions. Given that, the conspiracy theory that the incident, whether it’s 9/11, the moon mission or dozens of other similar supposed schemes remains the belief of just a marginal group of people and not supported by super intelligent innocent people is enough proof to me to continue to dismiss the fringe alternative views.

    • frank
      August 29, 2018 at 2:01 pm

      To smell a rat when the BBC reports building 7 going down half an hour before the event doesn’t require much expertise, nor research.

      • Todd
        August 29, 2018 at 4:34 pm

        My guess is that Lou will ignore this too… Because it’ll wreck his world-view of good-ol-USofA…

        Or, how bout Larry Silverstein’s comment “pull it”!!! before building 7 came down. He’s the owner of all WTC buildings, in case anyone forgot.

        I guess you could interpret his comment that as pulling his dick out from the ass of the American citizen’s.

    • Jean-François Aubry
      August 29, 2018 at 2:51 pm

      – 3000+ Architects or Engineers ready to ruin their carreer to expose the truth on 9/11: https://www.ae911truth.org/

      Remember Hitler and Mussolini were elected so its not because a majority of a population is going one way it mean its the good way. Anyway i dont think i wil change your mind…you prefer deny the reality wich is schizophrenia (the western world live in a psychosis) instead to check at fact, you should use logic instead of blindly follow the herd…you feel more confortable to follow the herd because you think its the way to do it…never forget Nazi party was elected and they try to do the same trick in the US but you are not aware because the idiot box never talk of people like Gen Smedley Butler, the sheep will be scare.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blhHuX1KSGw&t=189s

    • Eric
      August 29, 2018 at 2:59 pm

      This is such a dodge and such fallacy of thought. There are lots of smart people out there, yes, and these millions of smart people have never taken an interest and refuted the evidence of the lies on 9/11. My doctor is a real smart guy, and he thinks those 9/11 conspiracy people are crazy! Has he ever taken a close look? Hell no, but hey those people are nuts, and my doctor is a real stand up guy, so people like him must be right. Has he ever actually looked into or refuted any of the 9/11 inconsistencies? No. But you know, real stand up guy.

      Those are some impressive mental gymnastics you are doing there.

      You are basically ADMITTING that you would rather not look closely and you would rather fall in with the herd. That is fine! I am jealous of people who can be unquestioning. Ignorance is bliss. Where I have a problem is your stated “disdain” for those who DO look more closely and question. I don’t disdain you for keeping your eyes wide shut, but you for some reason disdain those with eyes to see.

      • Kimberlie
        August 29, 2018 at 6:57 pm

        Eric, Lou is exactly where he wants and needs to be in order to be who he is. That will not change. You cannot make him see the Truth about 9-11 because he will only see and react to what he’s been entrained to see and react to. His neural pathways have been set in concrete and nothing will cause them to veer off course except that which triggers it to remain where it IS if there is a mere inkling to drift. Lou is of the ilk of those who cannot see nor hear. This Truth of 9-11 is for ONLY those who have the eyes to see and the ears to hear.

        • Eric
          August 29, 2018 at 8:44 pm

          Agreed that this is what Lou needs, and as I said…that is fine. What is less fine is a person having open disdain for those who do “have eyes to see”, or at least the willingness to keep their minds open enough to question the inconsistencies. Why disdain these people just for seeking the truth? I don’t get it…even when trying to think from Lou’s perspective. He can stay in his bubble where we’re the fringe so we must be wrong, but don’t disdain us for seeking truth. That tells me it’s something even deeper for Lou. That he not only refuses to be awakened, but he actively disdains those who go that route…like it’s almost personal to him.

    • Todd
      August 29, 2018 at 4:15 pm

      Lou, if you haven’t figured it out yet, they (TV, media, NEWS, politicians, etc.) are bull-shitting you. Use your OWN noodle up there in your head. You are avoiding specific directed questions.

      As Allan already asked you like 4 times now, what do you make of his video? You still have yet to answer that ONE simple question. You must have an opinion, do you not? We are all still waiting.

      I’m sure you MUST have your OWN opinion on the matter? If not, then you are indeed mindless as others have pointed out. You will need to consult with your CNN and NYTime to tell you what to say… What a shame and disgust.

      Don’t give us the same answer that you are not qualified enough and wait for those that are qualified to provide an answer… blah blah blah… You can see that’s a cop-out. Because any high-school kid could figure out the physics in this. I assume you went thru high-school and college. You did take math, chemistry and physics, right?

    • mellyrn
      August 29, 2018 at 4:57 pm

      A “marginal” group of people like these?
      https://www.ae911truth.org/
      Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

      Lou, how do you receive information? Regular tv, radio, newspaper news? Do you see that if they choose not to report it (whistleblowing, for example), you won’t know it exists?

      Now here’s Allan, with a short clip of something available even via mainstream. You could at least have a look. Before you completely abnegate your own intelligence and ability to comprehend, before you bow to Authority and Expertise, have a look — and then demand that Authority and Expertise explain *that*.

      You don’t get to cry, “Oh, little ol’ me could *never* understand *that*.” My friend, *I* can explain nuclear fission to you in terms of chocolate-chip cookies. It won’t make you able to design your own reactor, but it will enable you to distinguish between a power plant and a weapon, and good enough to vote for or against a power plant in your neighborhood. If Authority and Expertise don’t give you an explanation you can understand, it’s not because they *can’t*.

    • August 29, 2018 at 6:45 pm

      Lou, what makes the JFK assassination “conspiracy” special for you to consider it within the realm of debate? Is it the distance from it? Or that it only involved a few deaths, albeit one a very influential figure? I guess it was a bit tidy.
      Finally, what do you think of Jim Garrison? I don’t know if you could even have your small doubt without his contribution. Marginal? Super intelligent innocent person? Has your opinion changed of him over time?
      I suppose that I have already asked too many questions. I do appreciate that you came here but you must realize that you are in the company of the “marginals.” And I think, by your comment, not the company of the “super intelligent.” How can you be totally sure that one of us is not the latter? Yes, by the way, we do consider Allan to be in that second group. Your condescension belies your seemingly good nature, sorry to say.

  15. Ea
    August 29, 2018 at 1:03 pm

    re: Bingo. Eric

    Yes! This is what is so maddening about liberal / progs. They ‘listen’ – they ‘let you speak’ – they take your pamphlet, promise to click your links … and then nothing. No response. No reaction. No feedback. Not even a reaction. Let alone any counter-argument. This is open-minded?! No. This is the appearance of open-mindedness. This is virtue signaling. This is holier-than–thou (or holier than the hypothetical hidebound racist/sexist down the block who wouldnt give you the time of day).

  16. Eric
    August 29, 2018 at 12:39 pm

    Feeling compelled to comment, I just wanted to say that Allen means a lot to all of us clearly. He questions not just the traditional view, but he also questions the alternative sources/views for their veracity. To say he is living in a fantasy world is so horribly off base that it honestly merits an apology from Lou. If there were a spectrum with “blindly following traditional views” on the left and “blindly following conspiratorial views” on the right, I think we would probably find Lou hard to the left and Allan perhaps a little bit right of center. For Lou to drop that “phantasms” bit about Allan has bothered me the more I have reflected upon it. I am glad we can be here to support him.

  17. X
    August 29, 2018 at 9:43 am

    “This is an educated man! This is what we are up against!”

    No.

    No-one is up against the masses – even the educated masses.

    It is an unwinnable position, like a wolf being disappointed they are unable to turn sheep into predators.

    Your mission is not to enlighten the masses, nor to attempt to deprogram one or two – however much good you think it would do.

    The sheep are not who you are up against.

    You will find however, that the sheep are manipulated by those who understand sheep. Even so, you are not even up against the manipulators.

    You are up against your ignorance.

    And take that in a positive way.

    Your mission is to enlighten yourself, and far further than you currently consider possible.

    Then you will find out why the manipulators manipulate (deceive, etc.).

    And eventually, to your dismay, you will realise why they do it, why they have to, and not only that you are powerless to do anything about it, but even if you had the power, you would probably then assist instead of undermine.

    Resonant with Nietzsche:

    “He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster.

    And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee.”

    • mellyrn
      August 29, 2018 at 12:24 pm

      “To the unenlightened, trees are just trees, mountains are just mountains, and clouds are just clouds.

      “To the partially-enlightened, trees are no longer just trees, nor mountains just mountains, and clouds are not just clouds.

      “To the wholly enlightened, trees are once again just trees, mountains are mountains, and clouds are just clouds.” — Tao te Ching

      That bit about enlightening yourself, far further than you currently consider possible? When you reach this point:
      >And eventually, to your dismay, . . . then assist instead of undermine.<
      Keep going!

    • G
      August 29, 2018 at 2:53 pm

      X you are correct in saying ‘the sheep are not who you are up against’; you are wrong to place your faith in the hands of the unmentioned ‘manipulators’ to whom you refer. When you say ‘you are powerless’ you could not be more wrong. ‘They’ are individuals just as you are, just as we all are, just as each of ‘the masses’ is. Each of us has a role, each of us has the power to be able to fulfil it; it follows then that you have all the power in the world that you need. It seems to me that you admire those in whom you believe the balance of power rests, and those whom you believe are more powerful than you – another word for this is fear. You need not be afraid.

      Allan is on his path, he is searching and teaching: seek and ye shall find; as you teach, so you learn. Do not attempt to dissuade him, rather seek out your own path and find your own power – your ‘manipulators’ in whom you have entrusted your power are not taking good care of it.

      • X
        August 29, 2018 at 8:11 pm

        Hmm, so, I have faith in the manipulators, I admire them, I have entrusted my power in them, and yet I am afraid?

        Moreover, I am attempting to dissuade Allan from searching and teaching?

        An NLP specialist are you?

        A higher grade shill perhaps?

      • Kimberlie
        August 31, 2018 at 1:43 am

        Thank you G. We are all on our own path – seeking and finding. X is also on his own path – seeking and finding on the path of darkness. He needs the path of darkness at this point of his journey in order to justify where he has been and where he wants to arrive at.
        Remember: we must keep our friends close and our enemies closer: KNOW your enemy.

        • X
          August 31, 2018 at 7:20 am

          Kimberlie, so you’re a tad hurt that I revealed Jesus to you as yet another deception, and now you’re siding with the shill against me?

          Discovering that something you’ve held to be a core truth all your life, isn’t actually true, may well be disturbing.

          Try not to shoot the messenger. :-}

          • Kimberlie
            August 31, 2018 at 7:28 pm

            Yes, X,
            It is well with my soul through Jesus whom I know, and not the Jesus whom you profess to know.

            Matthew 24:4

            There are no coincidences, no accidents. We are responsible for our own growth and demise be it mentally, spiritually, or physically. We must pay attention to our own inattention – it is possible to be and yet not know. However, once we know, it will be impossible not to know.

            Romans 1:22

            It is no accident nor coincidence that we have met here. You are searching to fill that void that ONLY the Lord Jesus Christ can fill.

            Once again, kind regards to you X.
            ~Kimberlie

          • Kimberlie
            September 1, 2018 at 8:33 pm

            X, This is in reply to your post below:
            X

            August 30, 2018 at 9:12 pm

            Kimberlie, the story of Jesus (etymologically from ‘good man’) is retold every æon (2,000 years), but with different names. Each time, the good man is crucified, and the key is the cross.

            The cross is the key, the key to be preserved across the æons.

            https://grahamhancock.com/mithras-and-jesus-barbierof2/

            My reply regarding your confusion concerning the Power of the Cross and the ‘key’ to whatever it is you want to unlock is:

            There is NO power greater in this universe that what is available to us through the Cross of Jesus. The Power to meet every human need or solve any human problem is found at the Cross. (Satan knows this).

            For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the Power of God. *1 Corinthians 1:18

            Jesus is the ONLY key to salvation and eternal life. (Satan knows this too).

            Very kind regards,
            ~Kimberlie

    • August 30, 2018 at 5:41 pm

      Hold on. Please explain: ‘ I will realise why they do it, why they have to, and not only that you are powerless to do anything about it, but even if you had the power, you would probably then assist instead of undermine.’

      I would ASSIST them?

      • X
        August 30, 2018 at 6:38 pm

        Allan, I’m just giving you a glimpse of mindfucks yet to come.
        Don’t sweat it.
        I did say it, but for now, pretend I didn’t say it.
        The first paradigm shift is the hardest – and you’ve done it.
        The next paradigm shifts are less hard, but bear in mind they are to come – it’s not just the one you have to do.
        Holistic research, that’s where the next shifts are.
        I could show/tell you, but then you’d probably ‘Do a Walter’. :-/

      • Kimberlie
        August 31, 2018 at 10:08 pm

        Allan~ I see here that X likes Monkey Fluff.

        • August 31, 2018 at 11:07 pm

          Kimberlie, I’m trying to find your comment about the clouds changing shape and am hoping you could film that; a time lapse would be best. I haven’t seen any ‘regular’ chemtrails here on coastal Oregon in a few weeks and am curious if there’s been a change in method. (I can’t figure out how the ‘Reply’s work, how they order themselves; I saw your comment in my email.)

          • Kimberlie
            September 1, 2018 at 1:34 am

            Hi Allan~ What I’m seeing in this neck of the woods (So. Cal – San Diego area) at first was obvious Chemtrails that were long straight lines in the sky that wouldn’t disappear after a few minutes like contrails do. This has been going on sporadically – maybe 8 to 10 years. The last 2-4 years there have more days with Chemtrails in the sky than without. Now, as of appx two months ago, those lines are somewhat shorter (there will be four short ones rather than one long one…. or an abundance of short ones rather than many long ones)… and are being ‘zapped’ (for loss of a concise word) into feathery-type puffs resembling small clouds. I can stand outside and watch ‘them’ manipulate the straight lines into these ‘clouds’. They do this in a matter of minutes. Interesting and nerve wracking to actually see it happening, knowing there ain’t a thang I can do about it, ‘cept be aware. I have photos, no film. You have my email address….. I can email them to you.

            Kind regards,
            ~Kimberlie

          • Kimberlie
            September 1, 2018 at 2:11 am

            Allan~ I just sent you an email responding to an email from you back in May of this year… Subject line: Re: Yep! Let me know you got it and I’ll forward the pictures.
            ~Kimberlie

          • Steve
            September 4, 2018 at 5:29 pm

            I am no expert but I think you’ll find Chemtrails will not for in areas of high pressure downward moving air masses. Just my observation living 50 miles from Heathrow. I personally think Chemtrials are cover for real weather modification carried in different ways. Using commercial aircraft would seem far to difficult to coordinated.

  18. frank
    August 29, 2018 at 8:20 am

    > Eric sums up perfectly the result when critical thinking is absent. …
    > If even one of those WTC images is indeed fabricated (as they all so obviously are)… and I’ll quote Eric… ‘it would completely shatter [Lou’s] entire paradigm of “traditional views”.’

    Exactly my experiences. This is where group think and peer pressure kick in. Most people, it seems, cannot stand the sensation of thinking different than their peers, and shudder with fear. Give them one night of sleep, and their subconscious has dropped the whole thing in the memory hole.
    That threshold for deviant-thought suppression seems not dependent on intellect (IQ), else I wouldn’t be here, supposedly 😉

    • Fast Freddy
      August 29, 2018 at 2:18 pm

      I often ponder why I (we) choose to remain in a country controlled by ppl who did nine11. And we, over time, typically become further invested in that country.

  19. B. Müller
    August 29, 2018 at 6:45 am

    as a foreign observer I can tell you this:
    1. Lou took some time to compose his comment, so pay attention to details
    2. he makes what people in an assessment center do: he uses rhetoric to defend his position without answering to arguments of his opponent
    3. he pretends not to know how people came to the conclusion that for instance all the 911 video evidence was fabricated
    4. that does not mean, he does not understand it. He simply chooses not to change his side.

    This may be cognitive dissonance or maybe he does it deliberately. He’ll know. Anybody who goes into details of what is called “conspiracy theories” will be first confronted with lots of garbage, flat earth stuff and such. You have to go through it, swallow it all first or you will never come to the essentials. Or you will never understand them. The most people are just not interested and prefer the simplicity of what is the official narrative. They’ll repeat what their minister in their church will tell them in fear of being abandoned. Politicians are such ministers too. Their church is called Congress or Bundestag or whatever. Especially the believe in news is what I call world religion. In every country in the world people convene around their media devices on full hours to receive the daily news which tell them what happens in some foreign countries they will never visit, what people they will never meet do, etc. We all are conditioned through our education to think, that it is necessary to receive the news and that it is wrong to ignore them and to try not to get involved. There is no difference in it to what other churches do to their members. Only the skeptical ones like we here are in the unique position of being more or less aware of the extend of the illusion of reality created for us by TPTB. But don’t expect any advantages from it. That’s why Lou choose to stick to his image of the world.

    • Duncan
      August 29, 2018 at 2:10 pm

      Alles ist klar. Danke, B. Muller. I think you’ve expressed what’s going on so well.
      I’d add that there may be pride or stubbornness to ‘win’ the debate/discussion/argument,
      but I’m just guessing. ‘Lou’ (but could be anyone) doesn’t care about the truth; he cares about himself, what’s for lunch, defending his identity/esteem. Might not care if the grass gets mowed this week or next, if the garden gets weeded, even if the garbage gets taken out (as long as no one notices the smell).

      To whom does the truth matter? To a poor independent farmer, who feels the direct results of his choices. I’m surrounded by people like ‘Lou’. PhDs, yet. The cleaning ladies are more intelligent.

      • B. Müller
        September 3, 2018 at 8:27 am

        Duncan, does it really matter if you know “the truth”, if you cannot influence anything beyond your personal matters? You may prefer to know the truth, others like “Lou” don’t care. I tried to explain that it is not a matter of intelligence or lack of interest, if somebody like Lou chooses not to care. Maybe we are the stupid ones wasting our time searching for the truth.

        • X
          September 3, 2018 at 12:04 pm

          B. Müller, it’s best not to think of it as a search for truth – for truth’s sake.

          It’s what separates h sapiens from other animals, the insatiable desire to understand as much as possible about one’s environment, because forewarned is forearmed, knowledge is power, information is survival.

          You may think you’re searching for the truth, because you’ve discovered that you’ve been deceived, and this is not a disadvantageous understanding, but it’s not quite what’s going on.

          You have been deceived, to prompt you to do more research – more investigation – to get to the bottom of it all, the how, and the why. You have been spurred to go down the rabbit hole…

          Because it is a matter of your survival, and instinctively, you know this.

          The deception is not aimed at those who buy it, who are disinclined to investigate anomalies in the ‘official account’. It is perfectly ok for the Walters of this world to stick with the blue pill. H sapiens only needs those to take the red pill, who are disposed to do so.

        • Duncan
          September 24, 2018 at 5:46 am

          So true, so true.

  20. mellyrn
    August 29, 2018 at 4:24 am

    Lou and Joe —

    We humans don’t want to die. We are kinda hardwired to avoid death at all costs. We are so determined to live, we will *die*, even kill ourselves, in order to avoid death. Here’s what I mean by that:

    We are pack animals. To survive means to belong; to be outcast is a death sentence — at least, it is to our hindbrains, the part that usually runs the show till every once in a while the forebrain gets a wild hare to, say, make fire, count with stones, or comment on a blog. The WWII kamikaze pilots faced a choice: die in a way that the forebrain understands but is fairly abstract to the hindbrain (crash the plane), or die in a way the hindbrain finds All Too Real (be disgraced — outcast — DEAD, really dead). There were surely some guys for whom the crash was Real and the disgrace more abstract, but we don’t hear much about them.

    I’ve found that for some people (a lot?), certain ideas are more like tribal markers than concepts; “intellectual tattoos” that identify them as members of their Tribe. Lou, for example — his “tribe” believes the official 9/11 story. When you offer him contradiction, however rational, you threaten his standing with the tribe — and are thus effectively offering a death sentence. Lou’s smart, and educated — but our forebrains are practically brand-new, little more than a veneer, and his hindbrain — far older, far more powerful — has hijacked his intellectual bus.

    We won’t get anywhere with Lou with rationality. I was hoping, in my reply to him, to slip something in on a different channel; I don’t think I succeeded ‘cos I don’t really have that art. All I know is, there’s no reasoning with the hindbrain. This might be part of that grim shadow thing, but I don’t find that outrage helps. What *I* needed, at any rate, was to come to terms with death, period.

    As for Joe, ya got me. Anyone who could delight in acquitting a guilty guy is some kind of insane in my reckoning. That alone implies to me a mind so compartmentalized that he might as well be fourteen different psyches riding around in one skull. Who knows which compartment remembers the $5K, and how often it’s allowed out?

    • Fast Freddy
      August 29, 2018 at 2:27 pm

      Good comment, mell. We must maintain our pack association for survival. In fact, altruism is an innate quality which religions generally usurp.

      (Is the hind brain the one that cares about what’s for lunch?)

      • mellyrn
        August 29, 2018 at 9:59 pm

        😀 I think the hindbrain is the one that cares that there *is* a lunch, and the forebrain cares what the lunch is.

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