The way it went with my exchange at the ‘Forum Borealis’ comment section on Youtube is instructive enough, and important enough, I think, to warrant a follow up. This guy, ‘Al Borealis,’ is very tight with the Secret Space Program (SSP) ‘community,’ and has had most of them on his podcast, many multiple times. As I’ve said before, this is one way to track an ‘op,’ and list the the ‘alt media’ personalities that are participants. Some, but not many, may be unwitting participants (UPs); as long as a ‘researcher’ goes along with the agenda of the op, he/she may be ‘honest’, i.e., not a state mole.
One ‘problem’ in finding an honest guest, say, in Forum Borealis, is in finding a geniune expert on space and space travel who does not understand that the Apollo missions were fraudulent. Michael Schratt, the interviewee in the above podcast, grunted in assent when Borealis opined that ‘Apollo hoaxers’ just need more information in order to smarten up. Mmmm.
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You all are mostly familiar with my observations/research re the whole SSP issue, via my visit to the 2015 conference and the blogs describing it. (If you are not familiar, go back to this time frame and peruse my SSP posts.)
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What I hope to do here in this wind-up is show you how to tell for sure when you’re dealing with an agenda-driven state mole. As you know from my SSP posts, many of the SSP ‘names’ refused to answer (in person or via email) the simple question I asked them about their views of NASA, space travel, and related issues. It’s the same question I posed in the ‘Forum Borealis’ comment section, and which was never answered or even dealt with by Borealis in the lengthy exchange, in spite of my repeated requests that he do so.
If you wade through the obvious misdirection in Borealis’s ‘replies’, I hope you find yourself coming to the conclusion that for the guy to go to the lengths he does in order to deflect readers from thinking about my simple query — keeping in mind that the score of other SSP ‘names’ did exactly the same thing — the question itself must be of some import.
Not even counting my challenge that Borealis answer my Open Letter to him, I repeated the question at least five times, and each time his misdirection got more desperate. Here are the last two posts, my comment and his answer:
Just to make it perfectly clear, here is the question I tried to ask at the 2015 SSP conference, and which was never answered by ANY of the attendees, even after email back and forths with all of them (some declined to answer, the rest misdirected)…
…this is from one of my blog posts on the conference: (Here’s one of the questions I would have asked had the Q and A not been cancelled at the last minute – with me leaning forward in the first row:
‘If you all believe that there is a SSP and it’s been zooming around the solar system for decades, give me a reason why NASA would spend 100s of billions on any given program when it can fake it for the price of a feature film?’ And also given that any data that any of the programs would give them must be old hat by now. How come no one (of SSP researchers) has ever asked that, and why do they all believe the Apollo hoax, or say they do….
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I look at your long answer to my previous comment and hope your readers do so as well. There is not one answer to any of my questions or important points-made. I’ve found that this sort of misdirection is exactly to be expected from alt media state moles. I of course could be wrong about you: How about proving it by actually answering my question?
Remember that this is my fifth repitition of the same query! You would think he’d be embarrassed to dodge it again, or, like many of his cohorts, just refuse to respond. No. Give his response a look:
LOL! You seiously think we are doing deliberate disinfo? Are you not aware that it is a trait of lunacy to believe that everyone with a different conclusion from ourselves has reached it by sinister means, and that in secret they agree with our own paradigm. Sane people avoid discussing with such people. So if you genuinely are interested in an honest truth-seeking exchange of ideas, the first thing you need to realize is that there’s as many paradigms in the world as there is people. No one walks around with what you believe to be true in their head, trying to hide it from you or influence you to alter your own. Only fundamentalists (of any stripe) suffer from such extremely infantile paranoid and megalomanic misconceptions. [Does anyone disagree that this outburst is pure balderdash? What does it mean when someone takes the time to concoct it?]
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The reason I harp on this issue is its… what?… right… its implications. (I mean aside from pegging Borealis as a state operative.) To put it as briefly and as ‘operationally’ as I can, it appears that either man has not and will not leave planet earth at all (space flight is fraudulent)… or… the chemical rocket programs (as seen in the media) is a distraction from anti-gravity technology (possibly back-engineered from alien crafts), which has allowed man to explore the solar system at will (the breakthrough likely came in the 1950s). I’m pretty sure the truth is one or the other. This imagery I dug up from the Mercury Program days would seem to indicate the former – or at least indicate that the fraud goes back to NASA’s start — since this capsule could never survive re-entry into our atmosphere (the video shows that heat shields would not work).
The above is still another either/or issue that is never brought up at SSP conferences and podcasts.
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Addendum: A closely related issue is raised in my dealings with the alt media ‘names’ who have done (often excellent) exposés on the Apollo fraud — as opposed to belief in the Apollo fraud, as we find in Borealis and his SSP celebs (including, I’m afraid, Richard Dolan, whom I otherwise find valuable). The former, types like Bart Sibrel (who never responded to my many info-laden missives), David Percy, Marcus Allen, and, my favorite, Jarrah White, who deserved an Open Letter of his own, are unique in their subtle manner of misdirection. They just ignore the subject of current space frauds (like Spacex), and assume their fans will do likewise. This is quite clear in my exchanges with them, wherein I included my videos proving fraud. Their misdirection was not as blatant as Borealis’s, but had the same avoid-the-issue effect. (Their fans will likely not look into current frauds, since the heroes haven’t.)
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This post is likewise worth a look; it seeks to relate the issues of the SSP and the Apollo fraud. If you don’t see how the SSP group dovetails with the Apollo fraud names, think about it: The PTB are seeking to misdirect everyone (all researchers) interested in ‘space’ and ‘space flight’ — especially those who see Apollo for what it was — by having the various ‘heroes’ avoid the subject of current frauds, and the evidence thereof.
This is why moles like Borealis will burn their precious time with lengthy though meaningless responses to the question I keep repeating. Truly, and please take this to the bank: When someone (like Borealis) sees fit to waste his and your time with utter misdirection, you know they – and most of their ‘colleagues’ – are on the other side. They are dirty.
Finally someone at Forum Borealis — a regular listener, I presume — got disgusted and called Borealis out on his rambling crapola:
@Forum Borealis Misdirection is all I see in ALL your responses. Quite obvious really for those paying attention.
@Forum Borealis Is this all you got? If your serious about truth, please answer the questions and acknowledge the star visibility issues the astronauts can’t seem to get right.
Last night was clear and beautiful where I am. Here it is, In Brief, a very short video.
Allan
I worked in Japan 1972/6, met plenty people and has since often visited the country. One thing is clear in my mind – no atomic bombs ever exploded there. It was just a great, magic show to allow Japan to surrender and stop fighting. It took a week. The old Japanese in charge was allowed to carry on, everyone was happy except some Japanese that were hanged. And soon Japan was a industrial and economic superpower. Of course Main Stream Media with their Fake News and History writers have other ideas, but I prefer thinking myself on the spot.
I guess I’ll take your word for it. LOL. I’ll ignore all of history, science, and common sense, because you said so. Are you smoking crack or something? Why don’t you go find a nuclear physicist, and explain to him how atomic weapons aren’t a real thing, and give him a good chuckle at your gullibility and ignorance.
Or her. Whoops. Uncool.
So, are all these photo’s and films taken by Mr Yamahata & the others , of a severely flattened and wiped out Hiroshima & Nagasaki – all fake??…how do you truly know that, if you were there 27 years later, after everything has been tidied up & rebuilt??
I am really wanting to know if these nukes are scare tactic bullshit.
You know – “we are seconds from midnight, with nukes pointed in every direction” THEY are saying.
I have heard time & time again, NUCLEAR FALLOUT is mans destruction (it’s happening now, with Fukushima actually).
No, just normal napalm fire bomb damages!
Anders , look at this > https://youtu.be/QUvM2uQR1cA?t=1012
Allan,
do not waste time with Al Borealis, please. We are all interested about your insights like hell 😉
On July 20 you wrote: “In my next post I will try to explain why I think I know more about HTWRW than almost anyone else… on the planet.
Be healthy, Allan,
in my opinion man has not leave the Earth. Even the Gagarin flight is a fabrication. One has to study details about the story to see stupidity and shallowness especially in descent description.
No one has been orbiting Earth ever. There are a lot of reasons why it is very problematic from physical point of view. For example there will be fatal (micro) meteorite collision sooner or later.
From the other side I do not see real reason to have people on orbit. ISS major purpose is allegedly “to perform world-class science and research that only a microgravity environment can provide”. But today astronots looks to me stupid, what media/NASA presents is obvious BS to anybody with partly functioning brain when he start to think about it, and “microgravity” can be simulated much cheaper in strong electromagnetic field, see nonmagnetic objects like small animal levitating in the middle of exteremely strong electromagnetic field.
All space flights are fradulent. There are no genuine photos or videos of Earth (!) taken from distance (you should be at least 1000km away to see that you are above sphere). NASA is still making “Blue Marble” composites instead (probably from photos taken by SR-71). For me this is biggest elephant in the room by far.
There are no gravity, no weak or strong nuclear forces, but electromagnetic force only. All astronomy, alleged space flights, nuke bombs etc. are based on fradulent physics. Term physics comes from observing physical world, but today physics/astrophysics is more theoretical mathematics/astromathematics, almost totally detached from reality. Let divide weight with zero space and get infinite density, black hole. Invent atom structure with protons nad neutrons in the middle and solve the problem how they hold together with invention of new fundamental forces. Newton’s theory of gravitation (which he personally did not believe) applied on a galaxy mechanics does not work? No problem, invent 96% of dark matter and energy and add it to 4% of observable matter.
Try to count gravitational force Earth–Moon and Sun–Moon. Wallace Thornhill said in one of his speach that Sun attracts Moon 2x stronger than Earth. I counted it, he is right.
anti-gravity => electromagnetic propulsion?
aliens, alien crafts => I am pretty convinced it is pure distraction, mind fear programming, cover stories, plus misunderstanding and business regarding mysteries… I read and watched so many documents about alleged aliens and end up with nothing in hands. OK, maybe one thing, the “Star Child” of Lloyd Pye.
To me ‘Al Borealis‘ is probably _paid_ “unwitting participant”. You asked him good questions, but he is unable to answer because the right answers are in opposition to what he believes i. e. was programmed to believe during his life, and he is unable to realise it. So he feels under preasure and therefore write you so long answer.
I would suggest that rather than listing how EVERYTHING is fake, you take the issues one at a time and provide the evidence that it is fake. This is time consuming but the only way to get at the truth. Not that I disagree with much of what you say. But let’s see WHY you say it.
OK.
I will show with indirect evidence that Theory of Gravity is myth, does not work in real life and therefore all interplanetary space flights based on such theory are fakes.
1. Masses of Earth, Moon, Sun and assumed attractive forces between them are calculated on the bases of theory of gravity. Almost everything we are told about Universe is based on gravity. It looks like circular definition to me.
2. Isaac Newton personally did not believe in gravity. He said something like nobody sane will believe it. He was not happy about assumption that there are objects which attract each other even without anything in between. There is no real explanation how it should work 300 years later. What is the source of energy of constant pull anyway?
3. Galaxy mechanic models do not work according to theory of gravity. Calculations are showing many galaxies would fly apart instead of rotating. Actual model of cosmology says that the total mass–energy of the universe contains 5% ordinary matter and energy, remaining 95% constitute dark energy plus dark matter. But dark energy and dark matter are pure mathematical fiction. It is like what we see (interprete) is 95% wrong.
4. Based on observation it looks that Sun and whole Universe is driven by electro-magnetic forces. But almost every observation of Sun’s behaviour speaks against old termonuclear fusion theory which requires gravity.
5. Earth is expanding. It is getting significantly bigger and bigger over time. It is changing, It is not just a piece of condensed mass as we are told. Planets possibly changed their positions in the past. Old texts describe such changes.
6. Things must weight at least 3–5x less in the time of dinosaurs, otherwise they would not stand their own weight and their hearts would not be able to pump blood to their bodies. Big flying dinosaurs were to much heavy to fly today. It is calculated on the basis of square–cube law.
7. Theory of gravity allegedly works great in Solar system. Really? Let’s check it out.
Earth–Sun distance (semi-major axis) = 149 598 023 000 m
Earth–Moon distance (semi-major axis) = 384 399 000 m
Moon–Sun distance = using same distance as Earth–Sun
alleged Sun mass = 1,9885E+030 kg
alleged Earth mass = 5,97237E+024 kg
alleged Moon mass = 7,342E+022 kg
gravitational constant (G) = 0,000000000066743 m^3 * kg^−1 * s^−2
equation for mythical gravitation force: F = G * m1 * m2 / distance^2
calculated gravitational force between Earth–Moon = 1,98E+020 N
calculated gravitational force between Sun–Mon = 4,37E+020 N
4,37 / 1,98 = 2,2 −> Sun attracts Moon 2,2 times stronger than Earth?!
Conclusion: Presented clues do not hold together. To compute trajectory of any object in space requires perfect knowledge of the forces acting on it. Any alleged flight trajectory presented by NASA or for example recent trajectory for Chandrayaan-2 are precise, complicated 3D movements. Indian GSLV Mk.3 has start mass 640 tons and can deliver only 4 tons (0,625%) to Geostationary transfer orbit (GTO) in 36000 km apogee above Earth sea level. So Chandrayaan-2 lunar mission and analogously all other missions has almost no fuel, (nearly no margin) for trajectory correction during flight. Most of the fuel is used for acceleration or deceleration. The first spacecraft sent to the Moon (and beyond Earth orbit) was russian Luna 1 (launched Jan. 2, 1959). It was intended as an impactor but it allegedly missed the Moon by 6000 km due to an incorrectly timed upper stage burn during its launch. So theoretically computed trajectory was just right and the designers did it on the first attempt! I am unable to found information about correction of planned trajectory regarding alleged successors Luna 2 (launched Sept. 12, 1959, the first spacecraft to strike the Moon) and Luna 3 (Oct. 4, 1959, the first circumnavigation of the Moon). So the designers had to be great fortune-tellers/wizards to correctly predict real Moon attraction and other gravitational forces. Keep in mind that they worked with just a theory which was not previously confirmed yet. Previous flights shoot a few hundred kilometers above Earth surface only. IMHO there are simply too much theoretical assumptions for gravity assisted flights and maneuvers to be really genuine.
Yep, the force of the sun on the moon is greater than the force of the Earth on the moon.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/98953.html
The Earth and the moon orbit the sun. If the Earth was gone, the moon would still orbit the sun.
Also:
Are suggesting Newton didn’t believe in a force he came up with a mathematical framework to describe? That’s stupid. There is so much more wrong, too.
Hi Chris,
thank you for your reply.
“If the Earth was gone, the moon would still orbit the sun.”
– You are right. I forgot centrifugal force of Moon regarding Sun. Thanks!
“…suggesting Newton didn’t believe in a force he came up … that’ stupid”
– Yes, my expression wasn’t the best one, I admit. Take in count I am not a native english speaker, please 🙂 As far as I understand it, Newton believed in the force existence but not that matter itself attract another matter without the mediation of something else which is not material.
“There is so much more wrong, too.”
I would be happy and grateful if you point out what else is wrong. I believe other reader will be interested too.
Actually, i think you are part way to finding some truth. You either are into Electric Universe or are close enough that you should be. Your problem, IMO, is you have a bit of good information, but not enough. Have you viewed Wal Thornhill’s presentations on gravity? Maybe do that and get back to us.
I know there is a language problem but some of what you say doesn’t really make a lot of sense. In any event, non of your list says that gravity does not exist.
Newton’s gravity only works IMO on and in the vicinity of our planet Earth as confirmed by simple observations by Newton and myself. Einstein’s gravity doesn’t work at all as nobody has observed it in space time.
Our galaxy the Milky Way is only 120 000 light years in diameter full of billions of Solar systems and there is no way any known gravity forces can keep all of it in place. Better is just to lean back and enjoy the star show up in the sky.
Problem is the show down on Earth. Or study http://heiwaco.com/moontravelb.htm#g where I think about gravity. When Mose 1208 BC on top of Mount Sinai received the ten commandments from Heaven written on some heavy stone tablets, poor Mose’s fingers slipped and one tablet dropped by gravity on Mose’s toes. The commandments were very severe. And there we are today.
Sorry to go off subject but what jumped out at me is your apparent notion that God wrote the 10 commandments on TABLETS (of stone). Not so, at least not lately. The commandments are now written on TABLES of stone. Check the King James Version:
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=tables&qs_version=KJV
Yeah, the Mandela Effect rears, and this one would SEEM to be somewhat inarguable. I mean, does ANYONE out there remember the Bible saying ‘tables’ of stone? Does that even make sense?
I keep searching for ‘The Big One.’ I dunno, this may be it. And it’s another one that the alt media avoids at all costs, except an occasional insult.
Hello Anders,
it is great to hear from you! I read about fake atomic bombs on your site some 3 years ago. It made me think about it seriously. Thank you very much!
Where did you observe that gravity doesn’t work outside the vicinity of the Earth? And how in the world did Newton observe this, err, outside of this world… BTW big giant supermassive black hole in the middle of the Milky Way. Everything in it, including us, rotates around it. You’re kind of ignoring that.
WRT tables vs tablets:
The Bible wasn’t written in English.
The term are synonymously in this case.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablets_of_Stone
Allan, another observation is that your comments quickly got buried in the avalanche of nonsensical comments on Borealis’s channel. I assume this is most likely due to all the bots running around.
yeah, no problem. I mainly did the exchange hoping he would reply so I could show you guys here that we’ve found another mole in the alt media. I don’t assume they are all dirty and it’s not fun nor easy to get them to reveal themselves. One at a time. If you look at my past posts, you’ll see what I mean.
Shills (disinfo agents, etc.) are almost as fascinating as the faked Moon landings.
Obviously, they are well paid to spread FUD, but they must have been given a back story eh?
There are two possibilities as to the back story they’ve been strung along by:
CIA: “It is vital to national security [to avert war with Russia/China] that Moon landings being faked does not become more commonly accepted”.
Secret society: “Apocalypse approaches, and you have a space in the B ark if you help us keep the plebs confused and in the dark concerning what’s really going on”
What kind of back story would enable a shill to continue to be able to look themselves in the mirror each morning? Or perhaps they’re all thoroughbred sociopaths?
Yes, the implications re human nature are pretty depressing. And yes, they are offered all kinds of rewards, and threats. And many are simply sociopaths. We’ll sort of surrounded, folks!
Have you read any of Anders Bjorkman’s work?
http://heiwaco.tripod.com/moontravel.htm
I don’t know how much he can add to your knowledge base, but he covers this and other important topics…and I enjoy his “style” (logic/ writing) as much as yours.
Pretty sure he’s not an agent.
Bjorkman clearly recognises the fakery (tho not all of it).
The big question he doesn’t address is “Why?”. What is the purpose of the fakery?
His site is great, and bristling with crafty calculations & proving with mathmatics, that they didn’t go to the moon (ever) on those ridiculous controlled explosion rockets. For instance – the elephant in the room major problem (other than those 3 Sadsacks!) “You cannot even just go to the Moon (or Mars) and land (forgetting about the return) because you need too much fuel/mass just to brake when landing on the Moon (or Mars) and you cannot get this fuel/mass with you off the Earth apart from other safety risks like being fried alive or bombarded by cosmic particles during the trip “
I had a look at this, and what jumped out at me quickly was, he reckons Nuclear bombs are also FAKE!. He says Japan wasn’t nuked in 1945, but – “Napalm carpet fire bombed”…..but we know damn well Hiroshima & Nagasaki were NUKED. What is going on here with Anders Bjorkman on that subject!?. He sort of explains some of the WHY of it all , when he mentions > “It is a world based on wars, aggression, more wars, cowardice, more wars, lies and fear. USA regularly starts and loses wars since 1945 to keep its economy going so particular interests can make money. And nobody really cares.”
The rabbit hole goes deep. “We know damn well umpteen Apollo missions landed on The Moon and returned”
What is the money spent on? That’s the biggie, and astronomically more money is extracted than would be necessary to keep the elite in a life of luxury.
“We know damn well umpteen Apollo missions landed on The Moon and returned” – meaning NOT!. The stolen money in all it’s forms, must be handed over to a huge bunch of nasty & threatening Aliens on another planet (by some means) , where they eat the money, while lazing around living the ‘Life of Riley’ 🙂
My problem with the guy is that he just yells everything is FAKE but offers no evidence. Yes, Spacex is fake, but I show why, via my videos. I have not come across him offering the evidence, which makes me suspect he’s disinfo. You don’t just yell incoherently. You must provide the reason you say something is fake.
Maybe I missed it, but does he offer any evidence? If so, please point it out.
Here is the top of his CV — “Anders Björkman
M.Sc. Naval Architect and Marine Engineer, runs the Heiwa Co European agency for Safety at Sea since 2000,
has more than 47 years experience of oil tanker, passenger ship and ferry design, construction, repairs and operations worldwide,
has been a delegate to the IMO for two national administrations and one NGO,
has been a speaker at various Safety at Sea and 911 Truth conferences,
holds several patents of ship safety, *
He is an eager beaver blood hound engineer, who loves Calculus & maths, and is presenting overwhelming evidence (proof in many cases) of the fraud of this and that.
But IMO, he has lost the plot trying to say Japan wasn’t hit with nuclear bombs in 45.
The proof of it was on the ground for everyone to see and photograph and report, right there in Hiroshima & Nagasaki.
Miles Mathis, as Allan previously stated, caused me also to pause on Atomic weaponry. How do you explain Mathis’ findings? I mean you have high-level military personnel visiting the US test site shortly after the bomb with essentially no safety apparel other than shoe booties! You have photos of bikini-a-toll with huts that never were affected between blasts.
We did, however, fire bomb both Japan and Dresden into the stone age, almost wiping them off the map. Perhaps the ‘atomic’ bomb was cover for that misdeed to forever scare the planet into submission. I’m 50/50 on this position that nukes are real. I’m not for sure on this subject any longer.
Dresden was a test to see if they could fake an atom bomb in Europe (accidental by Nazis, or deliberate by allies), but they evidently played it safe by doing their fake atom bombs in a couple of paper towns of Japan (that would remain out of reach of laymen investigators).
The motive was to cement HG Well’s ‘nuclear chain reaction’ idea as real – leading to great opportunities to further extract money from a frightened populace.
The underlying motive warrants such mass murder. The inhabitants are expendable, but then happy inhabitants are productive ones…
How the fuck do nuclear power plants all over the world work, then?
Chris, consider nuclear power stations as gigantic kettles with cooling towers that serve as dumps of excess electricity production – that allow conventional generators to operate at maximum efficiency.
Chris, I said weaponry, not power generation. Don’t misconstrue my observation.
The nuke bomb question is one that keeps coming back to bug me. The photos ARE fraudulent, no question (as ‘MM’ points out)… why would they do fake photos if the bomb is real? But still, in my ‘life’ I assume it is real. Dumb. Not following the evidence on this…
So nuclear power plants have nothing to do with fission? You can either have both nuclear power plants and bombs, or neither.
That’s a good observation Chris. Red pill, both nuclear bombs & power are fake; blue pill, both are as portrayed.
They even do fake failures and leaks (with fake fallout, radiation, cancers, deaths, etc.), e.g. quite a few know that Fukushima was a psyop, but also Chernobyl, 3 mile island, etc. The great thing about nuclear is that only those with the highest level clearance can actually get close to anything supposedly radioactive – even fake waste.
Trouble is, even when confronted by evidence of fakery, the implications and ramifications can be so mindbogglingly scary, that some people quickly take another blue pill – as the last one was evidently beginning to wear off.
What a bunch of horse manure. Now nuclear power is fake? This is like playing a game of, “I know you are, but what am I?” Except you just claim everything is fake.
Two friends of mine were born at Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the 1930’s and were evacuated during the war. But in 1945 they returned, went to school there and became shipbuilders and indicated to me that the towns were just destroyed by napalm carpet bombings and rebuilt again. No radiation!
Radiation left on the ground was low , but the epicenter temperature from the blast was high enough to melt concrete and steel. Between the 2 cities , about 120,000 people were instantly killed & many vaporised, then many more died from radiation sickness etc. And just look at the flattened leftovers like never seen before. AND those “flash images” left every where on many objects.
Are all these horrendous *mushroom cloud* bombs, just a large truckload of TNT or something?…I definitely don’t think so.
BTW, that disgusting bombing is a prime example of how the PTB don’t give a damn about humanity.
You, sir, are a disgusting liar. You don’t have two friends that said that. You ever been to Japan, jackass?
Hi Allan,
Again I appreciate your tenacious hounding of these so-called aficionados of the SSP…I can only assume you persisted with them at all, in order to show us clearly that they are nothing more than dis-info agents or useful idiots at best.
The gaslighting was classic though, calling you a lunatic…lol…this might indicate that they may by low level “mockingbird” plants, but then again, everyone in denial uses that one.
You made an excellent point/ question:
“If you all believe that there is a SSP and it’s been zooming around the solar system for decades, give me a reason why NASA would spend 100s of billions on any given program when it can fake it for the price of a feature film?”
This touches on what I was implying in my question to you in your last post…what evidence do you have that man has been to the moon? You replied, If they have this technology they probably figured out the radiation barrier…ok, that is simply pure speculation, not a proof by any stretch of the imagination.
And to add to your point, they could have not only faked it better, but then they could have brought back real moon rocks/ they could have provided more convincing photo evidence/ and they could have actually left something there we could see.
As it is…and I’m not trying to insult or offend, by admitting that you believe man has been to the moon, despite zero convincing evidence, are you not playing right into their little game. Besides the gaslighting techniques of the ptb, their most effective method has always been to get everyone asking all the wrong questions…or in this case believing all the right myths.
Good point on the bringing back ‘legitimate’ rocks and stuff if they really went zipping around.
You make some good points, stuff I have worried over as well. For example, if they can come and go (in space) at will, why not plant ‘evidence’ on the moon that the Apollo missions were real. Should be easy to do yet they haven’t, as far as I know.
And if the SSP alt media are largely moles, it’s possible that they are a part of this. And the many ‘sightings’ (like the Phoenix lights) could very well be hologram technology, as was briefly mentioned in the Forum Borealis podcast. (Remember that LHs must give some good info to instill trust.)
So yes, all this should be kept in mind when we mull over the alternatives of what is real and what is not.
I like this: Copied and pasted here:”LOL! You seiously think we are doing deliberate disinfo? Are you not aware that it is a trait of lunacy to believe that everyone with a different conclusion from ourselves has reached it by sinister means, and that in secret they agree with our own paradigm. Sane people avoid discussing with such people. So if you genuinely are interested in an honest truth-seeking exchange of ideas, the first thing you need to realize is that there’s as many paradigms in the world as there is people. No one walks around with what you believe to be true in their head, trying to hide it from you or influence you to alter your own. Only fundamentalists (of any stripe) suffer from such extremely infantile paranoid and megalomanic misconceptions. [Does anyone disagree that this outburst is pure balderdash? What does it mean when someone takes the time to concoct it?]
Amen, Mary Louise.
Balderdash is right.