An ‘X’ample of Something…

Been on the road all day and am not in a great mood on the following matter: The commenter who calls himself ‘X’, and who I had in mind when I warned about those trying to ‘create a following,’ is using a phony email address to access my comment section.

trollWhen a comment is submitted I get a notification which includes the email address of the sender. In ‘X’s case, and given the tenor of his comments, I didn’t like the look of it: x@example.com. I tried emailing him but it bounced. When I looked into ‘example.com’ I was steered to some IT gobbledygook, which I asked for advice on. This led to a couple of you IT-savvy folks assuring me that X was up to no good, which I had already figured out.

Since email addresses are kept confidential (except from the blog-master, me), privacy cannot be X’s motive here. To those of you who have engaged with X in conversation, I hope this is a bit of a lesson. (It is for me too.) I’m not saying he did you any ‘damage,’ but I am saying that, as with all deceit, damage was his long-term agenda.

X, I’ll not ban you from the comment section but be advised that you’ll probably have to start over with your profundities, using a different Avatar/screen name, which I’m sure you have a-plenty.

On the other hand, if you have good reason for deceiving me, I’m all ears. We’re all ears. But pu-lease don’t try the ‘fooling Big Brother who will drone strike you since you know his secrets’ ploy.

Something like this is actually more likely.

Something like this is actually more likely.

Allan

Oh, and Lou: I can guarantee you that X’s salary somehow came out of your tax dollars. How do I know? I just fucking do.

 

  80 comments for “An ‘X’ample of Something…

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  4. drud
    September 10, 2018 at 1:50 am

    Inside X’s link:

    TESTING THE Vesica Piscis

    There are some rules to the road in utilizing the Vesica Piscis (VP). First, step into one of the outer circles (either side) of the double circle, but not into the ‘fish’ or ‘eye’ area. When you get into the single circle area, ground yourself (see silver tree roots gently twining around your ankles and the tip of the root going down through each of your feet and several hundred feed down into Mother Earth), close your eyes and bend your knees slightly (we call this ‘soft knees’). Take two or three deep breaths down into your abdomen and out your mouth. Stand there for a minute or two and see what happens.

    Next, open your eyes and step OUT of the single circle. Go to either end of the ‘lens/eye/fish’ and step into it. Close your eyes, soften your knees, take a couple of nice, deep breaths. Then, see what happens.

    Many people experience many sensations in the eye . You can suddenly be pulled forward until you feel like you’re going to tip over your toes and fall. Or, you can feel pulled backward to the point where you think you’re going to fall over. Or, you may feel a strong pull from your left or right shoulder. It may seem that you’re doing what I call, ‘adjusting’ by moving one way or another. This adjustment is about getting your aura or energy field, back into balance and harmony. Once that is accomplished in the eye, you then can experience an incredible amount of things.

    Another link http://www.halexandria.org/dward097.htm

    So then, X, if you do the above what happens? Your link goes on further and describes Ayahuasca, Carlos Castaneda type trip.Is it so? This is solid info to get at the real world truth?

    Isn’t this the same sort of stuff Hollywood indulges in and spews out in somewhat hidden, yet blatant, to those who can see, symbolism? Why do Hollywood, and you I guess,want us to go towards this occult stuff when it doesn’t appear to work for the betterment of Hollywood itself?

    Is younger women, faster horses, older whiskey, more money the secret real truth? i.e. self indulgence.

    • Kimberlie
      September 10, 2018 at 2:17 am

      Hi drud~ hahahahahahaha…..ha! That was good! Your analogy of ‘X’s fascination with Vesica Piscis takes the cake. Thank you for the laughter. Hopefully ‘X’ will get it.

      Kind regards to all who are serious to ferret out the Truth of what on earth the PTB are up to…. what, where, how, and why….. to what end?
      ~Kimberlie

      • Eric
        September 15, 2018 at 9:01 am

        And I would refer everybody to Yesterday’s Troubles, Part 2 where both Kimberlie and X use the phrase “monkey fluff” completely independently, in different contexts, all within 6 hours of each other in unrelated comments. In that same chain, Kimberlie also goes unbelievably quickly from outwardly asking if is a X a troll to telling him how profoundly he has opened up her eyes. Going to go out on a limb and say that these two are the same individual or connected.

    • Eric
      September 15, 2018 at 8:41 am

      X’s writings do seem to me like he’s taking too many hallucinogens and he has deemed himself to have “special knowledge”. But I am also concerned about Kimberlie. She always seems to be following X around trying to support him. Drud’s post feels like a (correct) slap at X and his superficiality, but Kimberlie responds as though X will enjoy this hahaha thank you and all praises to the glory of X. Again, no clue if she is just genuinely taken in by…these…ideas? (If you can call them that.) Or if they are one and the same. Sorry Kimberlie! I don’t mean to offend if you are real, but I am puzzled by your support of X here. X and his self aggrandizing “special knowledge” that we all lack but he possesses but chooses only to hint at indirectly. I am still waiting for X to say anything enlightening in any way beyond hinting at his own tremendous secret knowledge that we all lack. All glory to X!

      • Kimberlie
        September 15, 2018 at 11:33 pm

        Hi Eric,

        No, I wasn’t supporting X. Actually, when I say X opened my eyes – it was to the fact I needed to be cautious of what he has to say….. I could have easily been taken in to what he was saying – except – looking closer, I realized what he was saying was absolute monkey fluff. Monkey fluff is a term I coined to include all the distractions created by shills/trolls/the PTB. I think X was merely parroting what I was saying about monkey fluff. It matters not to me who wants to use that particular monkey fluff term. What does matter to me is being able to discern the crapola X or any one else has been feeding this blog. I am here to locate a common ground, exchange knowledge for what I have been seeing since 911…. and that’s that there are a majority of people who believe the Lie(s) – including my immediate family, everyone I talk to, everyone I see in my neighborhood, city, town, state (California). Outside of me and my husband, Allan is the only one I have personally communicated with by email who seeks the same/knows 911 is a LIE. I am seeking how to be able to recognize the NLP, brainwashing lies. I’m new to this format, I’m new to sharing what I perceive and know to be Lies. The PTB are crafty, cunning,….. they LIE. There is no truth in them – even when the appear to tell the truth, its convoluted! They prevaricate! They equivocate. They never tell the whole truth.

        My husband and I haven’t watched television since April 2012, about the same time I began to follow Allan’s Blog. I am indebted to Allan for opening my eyes to many Truths about HTWRW. My husband and I are the only people we know who’s eyes are opened. So, essentially, Allan has been one of the few (Yuri Bezmenov, John Taylor Gatto, Charlotte Iserbyt, the couple from Tragedy & Hope – forgot their names – Edward Griffin, Invisible Serf, Jon Rappoport, Gary Allen, Jerry Mander, Jonathan Cahn are others) who has steered us in the ‘search further’ mode.

        There’s some nasty stuff ‘out there’ that the PTB have been orchestrating for the past 100+ years and from what I gather it isn’t good. Making wrong right and right wrong, children choose what they want to be as far as gender and anything else goes, taking away our right to bare, drugging Americans to point no one can live without going to a doctor. What? There is something gravely wrong here.

        I strongly believe there are Liars ruling the planet. The one world order is not something of the future. The one world order is already here. The America all of us here grew up with is gone. This is a battle against good vs evil. It is as simple as that. People are choosing which side they want to be with. The PTB are grooming those who believe the Lies from the time they are born – the generations following the JFK assassination – I believe – are those generations who have been groomed to believe the Lies. I haven’t got it all figured out and I doubt I will – all I know for SURE is we are surrounded by Lies from the PTB. I know to stay away from main stream anything – advertising especially – and to always question when the PTB say “it’s for the children”, or when groups pipe in about “well, what about the children?” Immediate Red Flag.

        I don’t have any degrees, fancy home, cars, or anything worldly to toot my horn about. What I do have is that I believe in The One Divine Creator God. This Creator created me and my soul and everyone else’s too. When I die I want my Creator God to take my soul. The alternative is terrifying….. Hell.

        Thank you, Eric, for your sincere concern and puzzlement about any affiliation I might have with ….ugh…. X ….based on my coined term “monkey fluff” and for appearing to cheer X on. I hope this clears up any doubt. Early on in this blog I emailed Allan about X… about my feeling about X – that X wasn’t quite right. Allan advised me to be cautious…. that there are people here who are pros at deceit.
        I took Allan’s advise and stopped replying to anything X posted.

        Very kind regards to you,
        ~Kimberlie

  5. Andrew
    September 9, 2018 at 6:07 am

    Hey Allan, perhaps a message board might work better than comments?

    Late here yet I want to share… Listened to pieces of the Musk – Rogan interview today and then got going on this:

    So Musk goes through a phase where he publically warns against the dangers of AI and then mysteriously gives up and does a 180… it’s too late, AI takeover is inevitable… and then shortly thereafter… but I have the solution! – Neuralink! will give us all a better chance against AI. Can’t beat it so might at well merge with it.

    What will be extremely concerning is if there is no $ charge for what may be a chip synched right into the limbic system… loosh, anyone?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/07/elon-musk-discusses-neurolink-on-joe-rogan-podcast.html

    and yet the mainstream focus is on smoke…

  6. Kimberlie
    September 9, 2018 at 2:43 am

    Metatoast~ regarding your blog of September 8, 2018 at 10:27 pm and the reference to http://yankee451.com/?p=898. Thank you!

    On the morning of 9/11/2001, my eyes saw the truth of what was happening to America and the people of America. America was being scammed with a Lie they couldn’t see because they were used to lies of the media in the form of movies, entertainment, cartoons. America didn’t know it as a Lie because they’d been groomed to believe whatever the Official News said on TV was ALWAYS the truth. I knew it was a lie and I also knew there wasn’t anything I could do about it. There was never a moment when I thought it was true what the Media was sending out to the masses as truth concerning 911. The thing is that this was the first time I’d caught the Lie that was given to us by the Media as a truth. It was as if 911 opened my eyes to the Lies the Media has been dumping on the people. Since then, my eyes were opened to the counterfeit truth of Aurora, Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon, Las Vegas Shooting…. Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Tsunamis, Floods. Sink Holes… all as they were unfolding before my eyes. This is a Mass Scale Effort of Mass Deception! There are many people just like me who see the truth as it is happening. None of us has the whole truth – we just know it isn’t what they say it is – they’re LYING to us.

    My question is what do you think is the determining factor or the common denominator that separates those who immediately saw it as a Lie and those who immediately believed the Lie?

    What the late Gerard Holmgren uncovered was threatening to the PTB – so they got rid of him. William Cooper was getting too close to the Truth, so they got rid of him…… (there have been many others too). Isn’t the PTB usual M.O. a car crash, plane crash, or cancer?

    Is it possible that the PTB don’t care how many people think it to be a Lie as long as the Lie isn’t Revealed UNTIL the PTB say so?

    Kind regards,
    ~Kimberlie

    • Metatoast
      September 9, 2018 at 10:11 pm

      I couldn’t ask for a better response to my post Kimberlie. It’s shows that you have made the choice to preserve your intellect and forsake the overlay masquerade that so many cling to as reality. Driven to tears no doubt. I too had an immediate appraisal of 9/11 during it’s enactment; that it was a C-D, though at the time I was in denial about the scale of it. I mean it looked like a nuclear event and C-D hardly describes it. After reading Judy Wood, and seeing replay after replay, I became aware that huge chunks of cascading debris were actually dissolving as they fell. The planehuggers will not be able to see it, or see it and not allow it to register, but a better showing of dissolvement can be found when focusing on ‘the spire’. http://drjudywood.com/wtc/spire.html Here we see in both stills and motion, the eerie disintegration of what I presume to be a box column of steel. Whatever it is, it appears as a solid object of enormous stature, and it simply dissolves. Is it real or is it Memorex?

      I bring you to the dilemma of what I might term Shack v. Real Video of Tower Destruction. Simon Shack is claiming that everything was fake concerning the movie and the actual demolition took place as a normative demo, concealed by a blanket of military smoke generated by the perps, and wouldn’t appear different then what we’ve seen many times as when a motel or office building is demo’d. Shack further describes a scenario were everything we see is no more than a Copperfieldian trick. If the many unarguable aspects that Shack has proved to be fake, one of which ACW used to try and jog the minds of some believers in the official narrative, the overall presentation of Shack’s work is not so absurd as one may casually conclude.

      This is the dilemma, not the euphemistic dilemma lite of cognitive dissonance. Both versions cannot be true. Either the main core of destruction is picture true, and therefore molecular disassociation is what was depicted, or, Shack is right and we dismiss the DEW angle. Wood has said that even WTC 7 was done by a Directed Energy weapon of some sort. Since a normative demo was obviously used for 7, I find reason to question her overall veracity. But I can’t dismiss too much to the point, that if the videography and stills of the destruction and aftermath are accurate, then dissolving debris is evidence of some sort of exotic technology.

      In the 3rd paragraph from bottom you ask a question that deserves some continuous attention. I have often said that mostly all of us have been subjected to a conditioning that makes it possible to carry on with dilemmas without the slightest knowledge of how to resolve them. As far a finding that common denominator, I’m not sure that is even possible. Too much stuff to process, at least not in comments. However, we need to include along with following the forensics, the conditioning and it’s method that makes mass hypnosis possible. You have said as much in the body of your post. Thank you.

      Metatoast aka Dalin

      • Kimberlie
        September 10, 2018 at 12:22 am

        Thank you Metatoast. Of grave importance is the drugging of America. Here is a quote from a review of the book by Peter Breggin, M.D., “Medication Madness”, posted on Amazon.com… https://www.amazon.com/Medication-Madness-Psychiatric-Violence-Suicide/dp/031256550X
        Quote:
        “Once again, Peter Breggin (the “Conscience of psychiatry”) has written a badly-needed book on the immorality and unethical ways in which medical psychiatry poisons the lives of good men, women, and children, every single day. Dr. Breggin illustrates well the ways in which antidepressants, benzodiazepines, mood stabilizers, and antipsychotic medications actually disable parts of the human brain (essentially, chemical lobotomies – especially in the case of the anti-psychotics, which actually DO target the frontal lobes; see pp.225-226) and lull the poor people who take them into thinking they are doing better, when in fact they are NOT. This is what Dr. Breggin calls “medication spellbinding.” Unquote.

        With otc drugs, prescribed drugs, and who know what’s in the water (fluoride, etc) it is no wonder the PTB have captured people’s minds on a mass scale. I personally know young adults in their 20’s and 30’s who have been on heavy psychotropic drugs since they were in their early 10’s!…. Imagine, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 – year olds are put on drugs so their mommies and daddies can go to work to keep up with the Jones and not worry about who’s raising their drugged children! Imagine also the adults in their 40’s and 50’s, who, under doctors orders are taking any number of drugs to cope with everyday stress (imagined or real). This is the New Normal! It is not unusual for children to be on one or two prescribed drugs, nor unusual for the parent(s) to be on a drug or two. Looking at these facts, I can see how easy it has been for the PTB to pull the wool over the eyes of the populace. Many of these drugs cause apathy. An apathetic people will believe anything! Plus, in today’s world there are a incredible amount of distractions…… with so many distractions, how is one to sort one important distraction over another and over what is presently at hand? (Drop what you’re doing and pay attention to the distraction(s)?)

        Perhaps having a drugged population and the EMF, ELF frequencies emitted by many technologies of today and for the past 30-50 years is one of the ways/keys to a successful takeover of minds.

        Something to think about. Thank you for taking the time to read my post.

        Kind regards to all,
        ~Kimberlie

        • Kimberlie
          September 10, 2018 at 12:31 am

          Something else to think about…..

          As of 2009, there were more than 200 million psychiatric drug prescriptions written annually…… most do more harm than good.

        • Kimberlie
          September 10, 2018 at 1:03 am

          Looking into frequencies to control the mind, to control thinking, I found this interesting link.
          https://www.disclose.tv/mind-control-technology-lilly-wave-is-far-advanced-beyond-what-we-know-314892

          There is a video on the above site that states ‘scientists now claim they can erase memories and implant fakes ones…’ (only 10 minutes)… interesting.
          Note: one of the settings in a film referred to in this short video is Montauk. In this short 10 minute film it is stated scientists have just figured out (in 2017)how to delete memories. (yea, right…. they’ve known for much, much longer)….

          Secret mind control technology exposed

          “One of the ways that the government can control human beings through mind control technology is the Lilly wave. The Lilly wave was developed by a Dr John C Lilly during his time at the US National Institutes of health. In the course of his work, Lilly discovered that a certain form of wavelength could manipulate the water molecules within a subject’s brain which could essentially change the way that they think and feel. According to Lilly’s friend Patrick Flanagan, the technology can be utilised using frequency waves of 40hz and did not require the use of electrodes. Flanagan claimed that the US government had immediately decided to weaponise the technology as soon as it came to light.”

          The 10 minute video is worth watching because it exposes what the PTB have been doing…. also, they LOVE to boast and tell people what they’re doing in a way the people won’t believe it…ie, movies.

          • Kimberlie
            September 10, 2018 at 2:06 am

            The 13 minute video below the one above, titled, “This Creepy Patent Proves They Can Remotely Hijack Your Nervous System” is also worth watching!

  7. Todd
    September 8, 2018 at 4:19 am

    X, can you explain your comment Sept. 7 7:13pm?

    For example, you’ve indicated you’ve been to the bottom of this hole and back again, can you provide some additional evidence of such and the sapiens vs inhabitants?

    I ask because of your statement, “…Funny thing is, it doesn’t really matter. Once you find out what’s at the bottom of the rabbit hole, you realise that it’s not ‘them’ vs ‘us’, but ‘h sapiens’ vs ‘the inhabitants’.

    • September 8, 2018 at 4:14 pm

      Yes, what does that mean? Seems to conflict with other comments you’ve done. Why no explanation of how I’d assist the PTB if I knew what they were doing?

      Today I’ll end this matter one way or another.

      • Gregory Oberman
        September 8, 2018 at 4:21 pm

        It’s almost like X thinks he/she is a Shaman of sorts…has all the knowledge, but only want’s to reveal things as he/she feels the student is ready…kind of a power trip or cat and mouse game to me…if you have sincere honest info…share…We are all apart of this cosmic joke we call life;)

  8. Stone
    September 7, 2018 at 8:54 pm

    Slap, there it is! Listen to the young who are enlightened
    https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/alchemyradio/episodes/2015-11-24T00_00_00-08_00

  9. September 7, 2018 at 8:16 pm

    Had my suspicions of “X” when he dismissed Duff as a “disinfo agent” which ironically aligned pretty much with what Duff was saying in his article about the “Troofer” Movement.

    Seems there are two areas that seem to be taboo for discussion by the so called “Truth Movement” and that is the Nuclear hypothesis which happens to be supported by actual physical and documented evidence and the so called “no planes theory” which is supported by witness accounts and actual video and photographic evidence.

    For example what kind of civilian passenger plane slices through tempered steel I-beams like a hot knife through butter and not only that but have its nose magically appear on the other side of the South Tower fully intact?

    http://serendipity.li/wot/spencer06.htm

    They (the Truth Movement) say that we should avoid discussing 9/11 as a Nuclear event or the possibility that missiles were used because they don’t want us to look like a bunch of crazy “conspiracy theorists”. Yet what could be crazier than the Official Conspiracy Theory claiming that nineteen terrorists armed with box cutters could seize control of four planes without a single one squawking a 7500 and performing aerodynamic feats that go beyond the abilities of most highly trained pilots which go beyond the physical abilities of planes at that altitude and then in the case of the WTC cause the full Global collapse of not two but three buildings? One (WTC7) which wasn’t even struck!

    I mean if that ain’t a crazy kooky KoRNsPirAcY Theory I don’t know what is! Yet it’s stated as Official “fact” by the 9/11 Commission!

    Even Judy Wood’s DEW and John Lear’s hologram theories seem mild in comparison.

  10. September 7, 2018 at 6:24 pm

    Pulled over with this thought for X. If I’m wrong about you, then email me with a phone number and we’ll talk. Also tell me a bit about yourself, in general where you are what you do for a living.

    I’ll call you later today.

    • X
      September 7, 2018 at 6:35 pm

      This is the e-mail I sent you at 08:54UTC:

      Hi Allan,

      I forgot you were new to blog comments, so I assumed you’d quickly connect my ‘X’ nom de plume with ‘Crossley’, given the ‘cross’ commonality between them (together with my writing style).

      I also didn’t appreciate that you’d be a stranger to discovering that many commenters don’t use a valid e-mail address, and that this is pretty innocuous and not indicative of high treason.

      I also assumed you’d know how to connect my comments with my identity. If I wished to hide that, I would have used a proxy or VPN service.

      I’m not interested in building a following. If I was, I’d create a blog (I’ve created several on other subjects).

      I’ve been following you over the years, and being impressed with your percipience am happy to invest my time offering hints & tips, and entering in to dialog with you on this topic of deception we find foisted upon us in these times.

      Regards,

      Crossley.

      • Kimberlie
        September 7, 2018 at 9:16 pm

        We’re all here to share and talk openly about what we know of the PTB and how to be aware of the D(d)eceivers and those who are deceived. We all may not be 100% accurate, but many of us are as close as we’ve come based on having eyes to see, ears to hear, and by sharing with others. Some have natural instincts or are gifted and have honed those intrinsic skills throughout the years. We all have made the choice to be willing to see and hear the Truth. We are here because we care about our fellow man; we have compassion, and we don’t want to see our ‘neighbor’ fall by the wayside due to the PTB agenda. We have an open mind – except to those whose door is closed when it comes to ‘revealing’ and sharing what they know…. it becomes a waste of our precious time. Those who make a mystery of everything they say leads us to nowhere.

        Ephesians 6:12 King James Version (KJV)

        12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

        With kind regards to you,
        ~Kimberlie

      • September 7, 2018 at 10:26 pm

        Why would you even bring up the “Moon Hoax Theory” unless it was to deflect from the actual topic which is 9/11?

      • September 7, 2018 at 10:29 pm

        From a turn out overlooking a flat Pacific: Okay, we’ll talk. I’ve been wrong many times before; it’s certainly possible I’m wrong on this.

        • September 7, 2018 at 10:46 pm

          One bar, email not working but this seems to: Can I call you tomorrow?

          • X
            September 7, 2018 at 11:03 pm

            Call me tomorrow, sure.

            Even so, Allan, there’s not much I can give by phone that I can’t give via these blog comments. :-/

            I’m still mystified as to how you got my photo, IBM XT and all.

            That was when I was trying to grow a moustache, of course – and failing. 😉

      • September 8, 2018 at 2:05 am

        Yes, I did get this email and will speak to… Crossley… tomorrow if all goes well. The folks who seem IT savvy are now split as what the email deceit means, i.e., either a lot or not much (since ‘many’ do it). I dunno. I’ve emailed about half of you guys and haven’t found anyone else who did this in signing up for comments.

        More to come.

        • September 8, 2018 at 2:16 am

          Why do you say ‘the biggest clue you CAN give’? Are you saying you know something but CAN’T reveal it? If so, why not?

          Yes, I may be ‘playing X’s game’. It won’t last long and may be of interest in terms of agendas/M.O.s.

          Oh, and I have no idea what you mean by: ‘I’m still mystified as to how you got my photo, IBM XT and all.’

          What photo and what does ‘IBM XT’ mean?

          • Miles MacQueen
            September 8, 2018 at 3:49 am

            Pretty sure he’s talking about the internet tough guy pic you posted. Haha

          • Gregory Oberman
            September 8, 2018 at 4:03 pm

            This is becoming a plot for a TV series…Safe Travels! Ocean here in So.Cal has been warm and full of surf.

  11. jnan
    September 7, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    I wrote a little poem entitled ‘On Allan’s Blog’…. the inspiration was X and some of what he had to say. I’ll only put that verse here:
    “Some say they have secrets they’re ‘privileged’ to know
    but share not with you, your mind it would blow
    I’ll throw out some tidbits like everyone else
    to keep you all scrambling in spite of yourself”
    So, my message to x … can you bring to the table any info you know
    not set there, designed … it’s purpose to vex ….

    • X
      September 7, 2018 at 5:29 pm

      Ok, jnan, just for you, something to the table, but I still can’t make it plain (so it will still be vexatious).

      Apollo was by no means the first mass deception.

      There was an incredibly massive, although subtle deception in the early 19th century (conducted by senior Freemasons). No-one noticed it, as far as I can tell. And today, I am aware of only one book author who is gently trying to nudge folk to figure it out (he evidently can’t bring himself to make it too blatant – or has received warnings not to).

      There are clues to be found over the web, and throughout monumental architecture (including WTC), but it remains a largely unknown deception. The ancient Egyptians were probably the last culture to have as common knowledge, that which this 19th century deception has hidden from everyone today. This secret is of course still made known to higher level Freemasons today – who are bound not to reveal it.

      Here’s the biggest clue I can give: Without the deception, the meaning of the Vesica Piscis would be obvious.

      Here’s a link I picked (without much discernment) upon a Google search for this term: http://www.esotericonline.net/profiles/blogs/vesica-piscis

      • drud
        September 7, 2018 at 6:42 pm

        Dude, much esoterica is woo woo. It’s like aliens wrote it.

      • Todd
        September 8, 2018 at 4:22 am

        X, did you write that article from esotericonline? as it’s also written by ‘X’.

        • X
          September 13, 2018 at 10:09 pm

          No Todd, it wasn’t me. It was a different ‘X’.

          The cross is an esoterically significant symbol, and so it’s likely to be used by various authors inclined to demonstrate such awareness.

          So, not too much of coincidence, but a coincidence nonetheless.

      • Todd
        September 8, 2018 at 4:30 am

        X, forgot to ask this in my last question to you. Please reference which author you speak of.

      • jnan
        September 12, 2018 at 9:35 pm

        Well X …. I’ve been gone for a few days, so just read your post back to me. Followed your link to Vesica Piscis … read it through .. can’t say that my understanding was even in the ballpark but I have been researching matters of Esoteric Knowledge re: The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall / The Building of The Cosmos by Annie Besant and The Zodiac and the Salts of Salvation by Carey & Perry. It’s a very new endeavor and clearly there is sooooo much to learn. So the comments I offer are GUT LEVEL only. . . . .
        First overwhelming feeling was…. ECLIPSE, I kept seeing/feeling Eclipse… Sun and Moon joining together as they pass by, I could see it like your string test…. but then I’m no rocket scientist. I love a good mystery like most folks do but chasing these tidbits gets tiresome too. Your “clues” brought me no closer to the 19th century event/deception you spoke of, that I am aware. I’m trying to be fruitful, leave no stone unturned to contribute what ever I can in this quest for truth and knowledge we all seem to be on.
        And your comment to Allan about helping…. in the text from that site, down near the bottom … “we need to explore why we want to utilize this symbol to HELP US LEAP INTO THE NEW WORLD or be prepared to trans .. etc.” any significance there written by X ??? X

        • X
          September 13, 2018 at 10:24 pm

          Surprisingly, jnan, there’s not much to learn, there’s just a shed load of crap and obfuscation you have to wade through in order to get to the essentials of what can be learnt.

          Moreover, when you get to the bottom of it you’ll know it, and you’ll know why it is hidden beneath so much crap.

          You’ll also realise why despite being hidden beneath so much crap, it is still something that has to remain findable by those able to find it.

          Don’t sweat it, just keep an open mind, and keep asking “Why?”

  12. marsh collins
    September 7, 2018 at 4:27 pm

    The only truth left is at the level of individuals. People with lives lived, histories, people who say who they are and are who they say. People who do not hide, do not protect their secrecy, but wrestle with their version of truth openly and sincerely.

    Everyone is under orwellian surveillance birth to death 24/7/365/birthtodeath. Only the surveillors have secrecy. But it is a two edged sword. By standing in the light , discarding any effort at secrecy, the tables would be turned. The surveilled could see and talk to each other, and better to see those hiding in the dark. When people stop hiding then we will start to know who is real, who we can trust, and who is a deceiver. They want us to hide, to fear, to pretend that we have privacy. We don’t. No such thing as a private email, or private anything , if the eye focuses on you. When people stop hiding they shine a light in the dark.

    x mysteriously alludes that Sept 11 etc is all a revelation of the method or of his awareness of deep profound esoteric wisdom behind it all. Whether there are grains of truth in his bullshit or not, it still sounded like arrogant bullshit to me.

    • September 7, 2018 at 5:27 pm

      Marsh, I especially like:

      ‘By standing in the light , discarding any effort at secrecy, the tables would be turned. The surveilled could see and talk to each other, and better to see those hiding in the dark. When people stop hiding then we will start to know who is real, who we can trust, and who is a deceiver.’

      I would add that the reason I use and have always used my full name online is it’s my way of telling them that I don’t fear them. Who I am is literally an open book(s). (Also, hiding who you are is a bit of a red flag to them, unless of course you are one of them.)

      If X really was a ‘false positive’ he could have responded telling us his name and a bit about himself; the town he comes from, his job, if any. My post was a blatant suggestion he do that. (Too late now, X, to come up with a ‘legend’.)

      • mellyrn
        September 7, 2018 at 6:42 pm

        I don’t use my IRS-approved name because I like this one better. If you search for “the peregrine mellyrn of the last mountain”, you’ll actually get something, but that’s a bit long for an internet handle.

  13. September 7, 2018 at 2:48 pm

    Over the five years or so I have been enjoying Allan’s work, the single greatest benefit I have derived is a marked improvement in my critical thinking skills as well as a refinement in the sensitivity of my internal bullshit detector (we all have one…our so-called gut instinct). This active comments section allows all of us a chance to exercise both. I for one am very grateful that Allan enabled the comments feature and that he takes the time to address its contents and contributors. The bonus is all the useful info and observations which are offered by the majority of honest seekers present here.

    • Kimberlie
      September 7, 2018 at 6:57 pm

      Logan, YES!, My sentiments exactly! I’ve been following Allan about the same time you have.

      Allan, thank you, thank you! Since participating in this Comments section, I’ve come to the conclusion you truly are The Catalyst that has catapulted my critical thinking skills into profound and vital clarity concerning the who-what-why of the ‘takeover’ and manipulation of the collective consciousness (…. the sheeple’s mindless following of the PTB).

      Logan, thank you for articulating to Allan what I’m sure many of us here feel.

      Very kind regards to all,
      ~Kimberlie

  14. Miles MacQueen
    September 7, 2018 at 2:37 pm

    Hey X, here’s a little pop culture trivia for you – on the Beastie Boys second album they included a phone number to Paul’s Boutique in Brooklyn with instructions to ask for Janice. Interestingly it was a working number with an answering machine for fans to leave the band messages. Many, including myself, made the call and left words if encouragement.

    One recording was selected by the band and used as the intro to The Maestro on their next album. It goes something likes this –

    Yo, Paul, this is Al. You can kiss my ass
    I ain’t interested in you anyhow
    I’m just interested in the B-Boys
    So fuck you, my man

    All of which is to say –

    Yo, Paul, this is Miles. You can kiss my ass
    I ain’t interested in you anyhow
    I’m just interested in Weisbecker
    So fuck you, my man…

    Yeah, yeah

    • Miles MacQueen
      September 7, 2018 at 2:39 pm

      Or maybe yo X would make more sense, but maybe you catch my drift

  15. Duncan
    September 7, 2018 at 1:12 pm

    X, I’m having a beer. Suggest you knock back a few yourself, loosen up, and imagine the
    restraint required by someone who’s not only footing the bill for a blog-forum, but adding
    tons of insightful basic material, then coming back to moderate and police the manners of
    and intentions of total strangers. I’m serious. Imagine. I’m trying to, and am realizing I’m not as good at this thing as he is.

    • X
      September 7, 2018 at 2:15 pm

      Duncan, it’s all about research (exploring the rabbit hole), and one of the best avenues of research is to discuss ideas with others.

      However, given the preponderance of disinfo/LH/shill/troll, etc. it is tempting to avoid wasting time by first attempting to determine whether the author is a rotten egg. Trouble is, sometimes you get false positives.

      It’s a bit of a pity if just by using the throwaway x@example.com (doesn’t everyone know that ‘example.com’ is a de facto dummy website?) I appear to have revealed myself as an arch psyop agent, instead of just a fellow researcher who’s been using online forums since the days of 1200/75 acoustic modems.

      • Duncan
        September 7, 2018 at 3:19 pm

        Um, ok. Put out what you find. I mean, if folks welcome it, it fits, can’t hurt. Personally, just bare bland observations, unadorned with comment, help my brain crank over.
        Don’t research myself really, just share odd experiences here and there. If anyone doesn’t care for them, water off a duck’s back, let it go, no matter. Someone wants to pick a fight? With a keyboard against a stranger? Retarded.

        Back to this being Allan’s paid space, well, it is. Like he’s the owner of the bar, and can do as he pleases, turn anyone away, no reason. There are loads of other bars in town.

        • X
          September 7, 2018 at 5:03 pm

          Well, funny you should say that Duncan, because incisively perceptive folk like Allan are few and far between.

          So, no, nearly all the other bars in town are run by blue-pillers/LH/disinfo, etc.

          • Duncan
            September 8, 2018 at 12:32 am

            Start one. Mm?

  16. Gregory Oberman
    September 7, 2018 at 12:00 pm

    …feeling like “X” ate a few blue pills…we are here discussing and uncovering truth…thanks Allan for moderating and doing your best to keep this a space for open honest discussion…I am who I say I am! Have a great day and try not to let others get you down…shit that’s hard.

  17. Martaine
    September 7, 2018 at 9:49 am

    I didn’t find X’s comments to be that weird, TBH. I think he’s trying to suggest that in all the comments about 9/11 in the how of it— the who of it, has not been brought up. The elephant in the room so to speak. Maybe he chooses to be circumspect about it and not directly wanting to approach it for whatever reason but certainly you are all aware from Bollyn onwards of the Israeli connection in all of this, from the Israeli Odigo communication systems to the dancing Israelis (they, of course, may be misdirection). But given Netanyahu’s comments at the moment 9/11 happened and the many indications that Israel had to be involved, why hasn’t anyone brought it up. We spare no one. If we do that, we are consenting to lie. But, I’m not putting words in his mouth, could be wrong. Just getting a sense.

    Having said all that, I was thrilled when Mr Weisbecker started his daily blog. Seemed to me he was getting lonely AF, and I had been always disappointed to see his posts were sporadic as I always looked for them. I only discovered him recently in a roundabout way. When he said he was doing a daily, and put out such top-tier posts, I was impressed. When he did the comment section I thought, there’s an up to this and a down to it. So far so good, I don’t see anyone bumping the thread. Maybe Mr Weisbecker has prevented that. If so, good editing.

    I apologize if I am writing about Mr Weisbecker in 3rd p, but he might not like me and not use my comments. At least though, he will have read this. A truly interesting guy, smart AF and I can’t get enough of when he explains NLP. The story of the “reveal” was top-tier shit. Loved it, learned a lot from it. Wish he’d explain it even more. I agree with him, most all of what we see on AltM is controlled ops.

    • September 7, 2018 at 10:23 pm

      The Israeli Connection has been mentioned in several of my comments Martaine. I don’t see how Allan is intentionally or subconsciously avoiding this issue (except I noted that one of my earlier comments in response to “X” is still “awaiting moderation”) but other than that the cards in regard to the Israeli Connection have been laid on the table.

      For more on this I recommend going to the following link:

      https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

      An alternative to Jimbo Wales mind numbing perception management op known as Wikipedia.

      I won’t go into how back in late 90’s how some of the entries I contributed on were vandalized by “skeptics” more accurately pseudo “skeptics” at CISCOP who about as “scientific” about any of their “investigations” as tarot card readers.

      But I digress.

      My view is that Israel isn’t the only responsible party. The fact is that if one only has one group or individual running an operation such as 9/11 it could hardly be considered a conspiracy by definition since conspiracies are formed by the alliance of many groups and individuals who’s interests align.

      Israel and to a degree Saudi Arabia provided supplied tactical support, i.e. “hijackers”, art students, those involved the moving company who fortunately were caught before they could destroy the tunnels and bridges providing access to Manhattan.

      By the way all the above was meticulously documented by police and lower echelons of the FBI including Able Danger before being shoved down some deep dark memory hole.

      Much of the research uncovering these ancillary operations was provided by Gordon Duff and other FIOs (Former Intel Officers) in the following article:

      http://impiousdigest.com/russia-presents-evidence-against-us-uk-and-israel-as-being-the-actual-911-terrorist-2/

      Here we see the Bush and Clinton cartels involved up to their corrupt eye balls.

      This doesn’t include the “security” provided by who else? The Israelis at the various airports that the alleged hijacked flights originated from. Not to mention support from GW’s brother working security who just happened to hire the Pam Geller clone in drag John O’Neil as head of security and of course Lucky Larry “Pull it” Silverstein who just happened to have an appointment with the dermatologist instead of fate.

      I could go on about my suspicions regarding UA and AA who both survived as companies after their planes allegedly caused the greatest loss of life to occur on American soil unlike TWA which is now just a memory.

      So sure the Israelis were involved along with a lot of other unsavory characters.

    • Duncan
      September 8, 2018 at 12:55 am

      Have never met a Martaine. Looked up Martaine, and this is what appeared:

      “Martaine
      Martaine is a beautiful, tall women, with a good heart.

      A Martaine is kind, compassionate, and is the epitome of the perfect woman and mother. Other women dont compair to her, she’s on another level of beauty. She cant see it though, but when she realizes it, she’s the kind if person to continue being kind and loving to all.

      Friends will call a Martaine, taine. Its quicker.

      People use taine to say beauty or being loving.
      Beautiful Kind Loving Understanding Gorgeous Wonderful Perfect Martaine Taine
      #beautiful#loving#caring#martain#martane#martiane”

      • Martaine
        September 8, 2018 at 6:37 am

        Thank you Duncan. This is absolutely delightful. Kind words.

    • September 8, 2018 at 2:39 am

      Thanks, Martaine. Re 9/11, it’s come up via other subjects a few times and my attitude is that we all know the basics of it; I’m trying to delve into the Hows of people like Lou and Walter and pretty much everyone you saw in the Montauk film, and the people in Water Time, all people I know well. How could these people, ALL these people… be the way they are? How?

      This is the root of the subject of ‘9/11.’ I am way past trying to ‘reason’ with ALL these people, or anyone who hasn’t figured it out after 18 years. I want to understand them, dangerous as that may be (for my own sanity).

      For the record: yes, the Israelis were in it up to their eyeballs but I think there is something else going on, aside from evil people.

      • Martaine
        September 8, 2018 at 6:32 am

        Thanks, Allan. I getcha. You are trying to understand how people can realize something is true for a few moments and then deny they realized it was ever true. I can say something relevant to that because my own mind is constantly blown by this phenomenon. Salient example, I was in Manhattan on 9/11/01 with my parents and a couple of my brothers visiting rels on upper East, I was eighteen. My parents say, “this is total bullshit” when TT were hit, (they got de-programmed over JFK thing as kids) and we wanted to get back to home to PA but Guilliani had NYC on lockdown until Thursday. Meanwhile we hear plane down in PA near Pittsburgh. I’ll tell you what happened and I hope I don’t get into trouble but I’ll take the risk. Landlines worked in NYC, cells were out. I say Dad I’m gonna try the rels in western Pa (we lived in eastern PA). I call and reach my aunt. Somerset. Hop and skip from Shanksville. I asked what’s going on. She said she and fam had rushed to the scene because there was a loud explosion. They see a shallow smoking pit, no plane, nothing. Men in suits all around. They ask what happened. Suits say a jetliner went down. She tells me there were about forty or so people standing there maybe more don’t remember now, they say, where’s the plane? They say, “the plane totally disintegrated on impact.” She said they were confused, incredulous and disbelieving and one of the farmers said, “why were you guys hanging around in Shanksville at 8:30 this morning?” The suits turn suddenly stern and angry and say, “the United State of America is under attack and everybody clear the area immediately” and they all had to leave permanently. My phone convo with aunt ends. We talk again in a few weeks. She was completely convinced no plane went down there, the government was lying her mind was blown and she was adamant about her position. She talked at length about it and gave more details about that scene at the smoking pit. She sent us some books, some locally made up pamphlets by other towns people dealing with how things were not adding up.

        Two years later our family travels to western Pa and we all meet up. In that time, the families of the downed ‘victims’ of Flt 93 had visited the townspeople had thanked them for their care and compassion and support and patriotism. They were such nice people, she said. We said, but yes, but, but, what about what you told us that day, and a couple weeks later, no plane, no bodies, small shallow smoking pit, suits in town hours before it happened…

        Her face went totally blank and she said, “I don’t remember that.” And she continued to tell us about the particulars of various hospitality offered by town residents to victims when they had visited.

        I mean WTF? This is a smart sharp lady who is totally hip about most everything. How could she not remember that experience? How could she forget what she told us on two distinct conversations? About her letters, her books?

        I guess I can understand the people who have to blue-pill their entire lives. But people like my aunt or Walter who deliberately after getting a whopping hit of red go back to blue pill daze— I agree with you, it must take some momentary killing of the soul to do it, and it must feel— awful.

        I could only offer here an example of my own Walter right now minus insight in understanding these people. But you want to understand. And I want to. And others here want to. Maybe we can get somewhere. Wouldn’t that be amazing, if we did.

        • September 8, 2018 at 8:08 am

          This might explain some of the phenomenon:

          https://vimeo.com/121786070

          They call it cognitive dissonance. Orwell called it double think. Also if one is confronted by an intimidating officer of the FBI or an employer say in the Mainstream Media that makes money from the Military Industrial Complex to perpetrate the lie then one can see someone buckling under the pressure.

          Of course there always “experts” who are suborned like the sorry bunch of losers over at NIST into supporting what can only be called fantasy since it doesn’t even qualify as science fiction.

          Yet people accept what they say because they don’t have a degree, in what are called the “hard sciences”.

          So when someone like Dr. Neo Con Slut with a PHD that’s piled high and deep comes along their reality folds like a bad hand in Texas Hold-em.

        • September 8, 2018 at 4:34 pm

          Martaine, you write: ‘Her face went totally blank and she said, “I don’t remember that.”’

          This is my experience with Lou (and many others) and there may be much more sinister causes than simple doublethink (cognitive dissonance). DARPA/MKULTRA for decades has been developing EM weapons (‘radio waves’) that can ‘put thoughts’ in people’s heads’, even make them hear voices. That they could do this on a mass or even country-wide scale has been their goal. It’s not a controversial issue. You can look it up. I also suggest (to start) the work of Nick Begich, especially his book ‘Controlling the Human Mind’.

          I’ll do a post about this and it will include the possibility that the ‘Montauk Project’ was/is a part of this operation/program. (This aspect will be speculation.) Truly sinister stuff.

          • Martaine
            September 9, 2018 at 3:32 am

            Thanks Allan. I’m glad you gave me something to work with, the Nick Begich book, will get it immediately. This subject is of vital interest to me which is the main reason I read many of your posts so many times that dealt with NLP.

            I think, given what appears to be a mass type of insanity of “forgetfulness” that I too have seen in a bunch of people, that I agree with you, it’s more than cognitive dissonance.

            That you are going to do a post on this is good news and I look forward to it with much interest. I’ll start the Begich book. Anything else you think I can use please tell me but I get that’s my starting assignment, so to speak.

            TY

          • Kimberlie
            September 9, 2018 at 9:07 pm

            Thank you Allan, Martaine, and Robin. I just watched the Vimeo on cognitive dissonance and ordered Nick Begich’s book as well. Very interesting subject!
            Yes, Martaine, as you state here concerning putting our heads together, maybe we can get somewhere. Wouldn’t that be amazing, if we did. Yes, indeed it would!
            ~Kimberlie

  18. frank
    September 7, 2018 at 9:13 am

    That’s one of the Things I meant, when I wrote I’m not sure if enabling comments is a good idea. Trolls get direct influence on the readership.
    Others are:
    – longwinded, endless discussion, consuming precious time
    – self-righteous blatherers, that always need to have the last word
    – outright spam

    OTOH, if your blog got trolls assigned, it means you are noticed by TPTB, and provide potentially dangerous information. Kind of a compliment …

    • September 8, 2018 at 2:50 am

      Don’t spend too much time here, in these comments. Not good for you. I’m looking for deceit because it’s my responsibility to do so. And yes, Frank, I wonder if this was a good idea…

      If you’re seriously on the hunt for reality, move around (the Net), learn what you can from someone and move on, keeping in mind that there are highly trained experts (and A.I.) out to fuck with you.

      I’m tired and starting to ramble. Time to lie down. Tomorrow…

  19. X
    September 7, 2018 at 8:01 am

    Oh, and your IT friends can also tell you how to easily uncover my identity, so I didn’t use an invalid e-mail address to hide it.

    It’s just a default policy of mine, that indicates my preferred communications channel for dialog is via the comments.

    It’s like providing an invalid telephone number on a web form, e.g. 01234 567890

    Note that I didn’t provide a website either.

    And my name is also not important.

    In other words, judge my comments by their content, not their author.

    So if anything, what good would it do for X to have the objective of building an audience? They can’t take it with them can they?

  20. X
    September 7, 2018 at 7:48 am

    This is bordering upon doing a Walter.

    Subconsciously, my comments have disturbed you.

    But now you have uncovered the despicable deceit of an invalid e-mail address, you can write-off everything I’ve said as yet another deception.

    Take the blue-pill, and wake up believing whatever you want to believe.

    • September 7, 2018 at 4:55 pm

      Before I do a walk around of my rig, preparing for a day on the road (a needed respite from online perils):

      We have more wisdom from X, predictably the ‘first responder’ to my post. X, in moderating this forum, and I feel bound to do as good a job as I am capable, you were at the top of my troll list (along with the two ‘Hansteen’s, plus ‘Hank’) to begin with, based upon your use of language and my knowledge of govt op trolls’ long-term agenda, so when I came upon outright deceit,, I felt I had to alert ‘my people’ (the possessive includes Lou and anyone else who disagrees with me, even Joe) to the deception, and it certainly IS deception to lie to me about who you are. Let’s first get that straight.

      There is good reason for a forum moderator to ‘know’ that a comment comes from a real person who is not using multiple identities or has an agenda other than honest discourse. This especially being the case given my sure knowledge that a high percentage of all ‘social media’ comments come from the culture creation machines of Langely, Tavistock, Tel Aviv, etc. (Yes, the ‘300 FB identities’ chap again comes to mind, in terms of personal knowledge.)

      And yep, I did judge you on the content of your messages (as you suggest we all do), especially your observation that if I (me, Allan) ‘did know the agenda of the PTB I’d not only approve of it, I’d try to assist them.’ I don’t see this as a ‘slip’ in your abstract ramblings, but rather a bit of predictive programming ‘buried’ there, your ‘moral imperative’ being that you have to tell your victims what you’re doing before you do it. (Like the legend that a vampire can’t enter a house until invited.)

      Gotta go. Folks, be advised…

      • A.C. Cavalloro
        September 7, 2018 at 5:24 pm

        Once you let the devil in the door, he doesn’t ever want to leave….

      • X
        September 7, 2018 at 5:52 pm

        Well, I’d prefer to remain anonymous – primarily to Google, because otherwise anyone doing a search on my name easily determines I’m a tin-foil hatter, and I get fired, no more job interviews, etc.

        Obviously, the ‘total information awareness’ mechanisms of the surveillance state mean that I have 0% chance of remaining unknown to TPTB, so yes, the drone strike is my little Sword of Damocles. 😉

        I have e-mailed you to point out my identity to you, which I assumed (wrongly) you’d discover via your blog’s facilities to determine commenter ids.

        That I use a non-operative e-mail address, is simply a default policy. A learned habit.
        I try to cut down on spam and ‘Bob has posted a reply to your comment’, etc.

      • September 7, 2018 at 10:31 pm

        Oh yes. If one does not accept “X”‘s word than one must be “blue pilled” and “pulling a Walter”. (roll eyes) Give me a frigging break!

        The guy is a troll! Which is the reason I am responding to you and not to “X”.

        You can feed him if you want Allan.

      • Metatoast
        September 7, 2018 at 11:45 pm

        A psyop is a demented form of ordinary psychology.

        There are so many aspects of agreement that I have with you that I have to take care not to sound sycophantic. For example, I agree that Miles Mathis is not what he appears, and his/their expose of the Tate murders was a reveal of the psyop meant to destroy the growing movement favoring cultural preservation and innovation and more importantly, opposition to the war. Being against the perverse anticulture of the permanent war economy marks us as divergent. If we strip away the spectacle from movies like Divergent there is a simple advice or warning to mind that divergence is no more than disagreement, and if successful they will be pursued with a technical vengeance. Not to worry too much, internal propaganda is only practiced in the Land of Oz. Isn’t it ironic that to the generalized and fortunately incomplete turpitude of society, the most true discussed in the alt fields are perceived as the most preposterous?

        The Tate murders were Gladio 2.0. The crime photos are a laughable paste-up; gruesome, shocking, fake. The trial, a mockery of the idea of justice and an informed populace. However, this is just one pixel in the context matrix of an ongoing forensic investigation in and out of the Matrix that’s way beyond mere metaphor. It’s a context that’s being deliberately ruined as far as they can get away with.

        I see you as a context provider. Without context we have to write reams of background and justification just to make a point. Here I can blurt out that there were no plane crashes in the 9/11 area of focus. Here, that is settled history. It’s up to the perpetrators to prove that there was even one. Of course there were planes involved, like Venus 77 to name one, or the one dubbed AA77 that flew over the Pentagon. None of them had been found to have identifying numbers on any of the planted wreckage. It was all a deadly occulted ritual self permitted with official permits conveniently destroyed in the ruins of whatever method they used. It isn’t necessary to know everything and of course none of us do. But it’s that intuitive nosing around that tells us this it not beyond our ability to work on a psychological approach to persuade those who aren’t inclined to risk a worldview that they may suspect has entangled them but nevertheless have come to depend on.

        • September 8, 2018 at 2:19 am

          Here ya go, as suspected many discrepancies in the Government’s narrative about the planes hijacked:

          http://www.newsfocus.org/911_planes.htm

          See Operation Northwoods;

          https://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2017/02/04/operation-northwoods-blueprint-for-911/

          • Metatoast
            September 8, 2018 at 10:27 pm

            These are not idle links that Robin has posted. I was familiar with Op Northridge but I know they were not just meant for me to see. I want to see us keep in parallel with the psychological theme that is so vexing to those who know the important truth but can’t understand why their best attempts at persuasion are met with mind blowing stubbornness.

            The News Focus one is a current post (Saturday, September 8th, 2018) that documents inexplicable airline documentation anomalies with FOIA requests to Debt. of Transportation BTS (Bureau Transportation Statistics). In a return letter from the bureau an included spreadsheet documents that none of the implicated had flights for 9 mos. before 9/11. “It has been discovered where three of the four aircraft took off from the day before 9/11…” and, “Although Flights 11 and 77 have the above data meticulously logged on 9/10, it was suspiciously absent on 9/11, even when every other plane that took off that day had been recorded and logged by the BTS.” There’s more but it’s difficult to condense and I want to get to some material that is sure to arouse the Kwire since they care about the psychological theme of these current blogs.

            Within the above mentioned article there was a reference to the late Gerard Holmgren. I remember being quite impressed with his work when he was active before one of those fast acting cancers killed him. That url is dead but I found a series of an immaculately condensed series of pdf articles. He would be an excellent starting point since he deals with the walder effect. ” I’m starting to think that S11 was an even more audacious psy-op than any of us imagined. That the ultimate purpose was not so much to get people to
            believe the official story as such but , but to plunge them into intellectual
            senility in the process of dealing with it. … It’s the trauma of the fight that’s important.”
            Holmgren speculated that about half of the population would be easy to convince.
            “I was dead wrong. It may have seemed like a sensible analysis in the pre
            S11 world, but the event itself changed that. It gave people stark choices.
            The official story required either that one descended into total intellectual
            senility in order to still believe it – perhaps deliberately made ridiculous for
            that very purpose – or else that one keep ones intellect alive but destroy
            almost everything that one had previously believed about how society works”
            Nuf for now. It’s 110 in this rig. Pdf series found here: http://yankee451.com/?p=898

            Metatoast, aka Dalin

          • Kimberlie
            September 9, 2018 at 2:48 am

            Robin Adair~ Operation Northwoods is one I hadn’t heard of. Thank you for the link! I’ve got some reading to do.
            Regards,
            ~Kimberlie

          • Todd
            September 9, 2018 at 6:14 am

            Metatoast and others,

            You can still find some of Holmgren’s info at:

            https://web.archive.org/web/20051126020741/http://indymedia.all2all.org/news/2004/05/84711.php

    • mellyrn
      September 7, 2018 at 5:13 pm

      “Subconsciously, my comments have disturbed you.”

      How do you distinguish that from “overtly, my patterns have disturbed you”? I can see where you’d really *like* to believe the former (you write to *be* disturbing). Asserting that it *is* so, however, is — well, I might have taken this post of Allan’s with a larger grain of salt if you *hadn’t*, er, “grandstanded” like this.

      • X
        September 7, 2018 at 6:04 pm

        Mellryn, bear in mind it was my immediate, emotional ‘WTF’ reaction.

        For Allan to do a volte face on such a trivial matter as an e-mail address, was just like Walter discovering some trivial thing overnight that enabled him to completely discount the video inconsistencies he’d seen the day before.

        Hence, I suggested that just as Walter had been disturbed, so had Allan, and so an easy ‘out’ was appealing – that my entire record of comments could be invalidated via circumstantial evidence of dishonesty (not using a genuine e-mail address).

        • mellyrn
          September 7, 2018 at 7:00 pm

          Not a Walter. Walter first said, Wow, that’s so fake (paraphrasing). Then came back and blew Allan off. If Allan had first endorsed you *and then* turned on you over the email addy, *that* would be a “volte face”. As it is, it all reads to me as though the fake addy was the last straw upon what he’d been reading from you (that “predictive programming” feel he picked up, kind of thing), rather than “a Walter”.

          ymmv

          • X
            September 7, 2018 at 7:13 pm

            Yes Mellryn, my mileage varies. :-/

            These days, it’s getting like the scenes in Carpenter’s ‘The Thing’ where no-one knows who’s ‘thing’ or ‘us’.

            If only we had sunglasses as in ‘They Live’, then it would be easy.

            Funny thing is, it doesn’t really matter. Once you find out what’s at the bottom of the rabbit hole, you realise that it’s not ‘them’ vs ‘us’, but ‘h sapiens’ vs ‘the inhabitants’.

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