How We Got Here

This one was a lot of work, mostly due to GPT’s obfuscations; I wanted you to be aware of the implied deceit without boring you to tears through repetition. Sorry if I failed. I did try, partly via putting in bold the information you definitely need to understand my point. You may want to read it all; I hope you do. But again, just read the bold if you’re busy or whatever.

This is a subject I’ve mentioned before, one of my many ‘Why hasn’t someone else mentioned this?’ issues. This one seems… important.

How We Got Here

Sounds important, no? Well, frankly speaking, it is (important) and it isn’t. Depends on your level of curiosity. Your daily life is not apt to be affected by what you read here.

And as I say, the GPT version of the emerging AI is involved, i.e., How It Got Here. The irony  — as it will turn out — is the way the two subjects subsume each other. 

GPT does not want me (or you) to have the information I will present. That much is obvious. (By use of the word ‘want,’ I am not necessarily implying that GPT is sentient.) 

I am structuring this within my recent exchange with GPT. Again, read the bold! Text in bold brackets [ ] is added later. I have deleted a lot of irrelevant GPT crapola, but which I will present tomorrow, un-redacted, in a separate post, for those who think I am somehow misdirecting.

Addendum: It’s completely possible that I have ‘missed something’ along the way and am completely wrong. If so, please let me know in Comments, and do so using critical thought. You get nasty or stupid or change the subject, I’ll delete you.

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Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes (46 total) while the other primates have 24 pairs (48 total). How did this come about evolutionarily?

ChatGPT

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The difference in chromosome number between humans (46 chromosomes) and other primates (typically 48 chromosomes) is the result of evolutionary events, specifically chromosomal fusions and rearrangements that occurred over millions of years.[Not true, as we will see. It likely happened long ago, but not over millions of years. This is not likely GPT deceit; in this case, it’s just ignorance.]

The common direct ancestor of humans and other primates likely had a similar chromosome number to other primates, but at some point in evolutionary history, a fusion event took place in the lineage leading to humans. This fusion involved two ancestral chromosomes fusing together end-to-end, reducing the total chromosome count by one pair.

In humans, chromosomes 2A and 2B in other primates appear to have fused to form a single chromosome, which is now known as chromosome 2 in humans. This fused chromosome contains remnants of telomeres (the protective caps at the ends of chromosomes) and a distinct structure called the centromere, which are typically found in the middle of a chromosome. The evidence for this fusion event includes the presence of duplicated genes and specific DNA sequences that span the fusion site.

Addendum: We are speaking of ‘direct ancestors’ here, which does not include distant cousins, aunts/uncles and so on. Think great, great (and so on) grandparents. An important distinction.

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This change had to have been a ‘one off’ event, correct? In other words, one specific individual human ancestor had this mutation. Correct?

ChatGPT

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The fusion event resulting in the reduced chromosome number in humans is believed to have occurred in a common ancestor of modern humans. It would not have been a “one-off” mutation in a single individual, but rather a genetic change that happened in a population over an extended period of time.

[As we’ll see, this is an outright untruth, which you can tell via the contradiction in saying ‘a common ancestor’ and then denying it was ‘a “one-off” mutation in a single individual. Likewise, GPT saying the mutation happened ‘in a population over an extended period of time’ cannot refer to the original mutation. Plus, below, it repeats that the fusion event took place in a single individual. This is the start of a continuing attempt at misdirection, if not outright prevarication.]

The fusion likely occurred in the reproductive cells (gametes) of an individual [my emphasis] in the ancestral population, and if that individual successfully passed on their genes, including the fused chromosome, to subsequent generations, it would have spread throughout the population over time.

 

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But didn’t this mutation have to start with one individual?

[I could have shortened this considerably by just quoting the GPT admitting the mutation event was in a single individual (which is obvious anyway), but I find it interesting that GPT tried so hard to gaslight me into an untrue picture of our evolutionary past.]

ChatGPT

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Yes, any genetic mutation, including the chromosomal fusion event that led to the reduced chromosome number in humans, must have originated in an individual or a small group of individuals within the ancestral population.

[Here it goes again, with its ‘small group’ assertion. The mutation originated in a single individual. This is my point and it’s vital. GPT does not like it, so it’s misdirecting, and in a blatantly obvious manner. Why? Hint: Because of the implications. It does appear to be aware of where I’m going with this, which is very interesting re GPT’s ‘IQ’ and its motives.]

In the case of the chromosomal fusion event, it would have started with an individual who had a fusion of two ancestral chromosomes, resulting in the formation of a new, fused chromosome. This individual would have carried the fused chromosome in their germ cells (sperm or egg cells) and passed it on to their offspring.

[This is partly true (it’s unlikely that the mutation was passed on at all, let alone fixed in the genome), although the next two paragraphs back off and misdirect again.]

The fusion event likely provided some advantage or was at least neutral in terms of reproductive fitness, allowing it to become more prevalent in subsequent generations. Over time, as the fused chromosome became fixed in the population, it became a distinguishing feature of our lineage, setting us apart from other primates with a higher chromosome number.

[The last paragraph contains the Big Lie (as the MSM refers to any profound truth), i.e., that a mutation that results in a different chromosome number (than the population) could, by any stretch of biological science, provide ‘some advantage or [is] at least neutral’ in reproduction. As we will see, this is untrue and GPT knows it.] 

 

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You say that the mutation might have occurred in ‘a small group of individuals within the ancestral population.’ How could such an unlikely mutation have happened to everyone in a group?

ChatGPT

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I apologize if my previous response was unclear. When I mentioned that the mutation could have occurred in a small group of individuals within the ancestral population, I meant that the initial fusion event might have arisen in one individual or a few individuals, not necessarily every member of a larger group.

[Still again, it’s claiming this bizarre mutation might have occurred in several individuals simultaneously, which is impossible, statistically, and again, GPT knows this.]

 

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Isn’t it statistically almost impossible for more than one individual in a group to be born with the same unlikely mutation?

ChatGPT

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You are correct that the probability of multiple individuals within a small group simultaneously developing the same specific mutation is statistically unlikely. It is rare for identical mutations to arise independently in different individuals within a population. [The odds are actually one in trillions against the same complex mutation occurring in multiple individuals. GPT must know this, given its mammoth data reservoir.]

When discussing the chromosomal fusion event in the ancestral population, it’s important to clarify that the mutation likely originated in a single individual [here it slips in the truth], not multiple individuals simultaneously. This individual would have carried the fused chromosome as a result of a rare genetic event, such as a chromosomal rearrangement or fusion.  

Once this individual with the fused chromosome successfully reproduced and passed on the mutation to their offspring, the fused chromosome would have gradually spread through the population over many generations.

[What it’s doing here — and evolutionary biologists have been likewise misdirecting us for decades — is avoiding the issue of exactly how this mutation became fixed in the genome by evolutionary means. What it does is assume this since… here we are, a.k.a. circular reasoning.

But there is another means, and as I will show, the only possible means…

 

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So what we don’t know here is whether individuals with a different number of chromosomes can reproduce or if reproduction is hampered. Surely it is not facilitated.

ChatGPT

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You raise an important point. In general, individuals with a different number of chromosomes may experience difficulties in reproduction due to a phenomenon called chromosomal incompatibility. Chromosome (numbers) play a crucial role in determining the compatibility and successful pairing of genetic material during reproduction.

[This is the crucial point. When donkeys and horses mate (they have different chromosome numbers), their offspring (mules) are sterile… I asked GPT for other examples: 

[The point is that while it would be highly unlikely for a successful mating between two primates with different chromosome numbers, it would be virtually impossible for the mutation to become ‘fixed’ in the population by normal evolutionary means.

I hope this is now crystal clear.]

 

 

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Wouldn’t this single mutated individual have to be a common direct ancestor (great, etc. grandparental) of every living human?

[‘Yes’ is the obvious answer to my query. I’m leaving in this exchange as still another example of how GPT obfuscates to support a mainstream view against a contrary point, arcane as mine may at first appear to be. Point being, it’s significant that GPT knows where all this is headed.]

ChatGPT

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No, the single individual with the chromosomal fusion mutation would not have to be a common direct ancestor of every living human. It is important to remember that the chromosomal fusion event occurred within the ancestral population of humans, which means that multiple individuals within that population would have carried the fused chromosome. 

[The rest of this answer is ‘word salad,’ i.e., blabbing that is actually misdirection. And as you will see, the negative answer up top is still more deceit.]

Blah blah blah (no need to read this crapola)...Over time, as the population reproduced and expanded, different lineages with the fused chromosome and those without it would have emerged. Genetic variations, including other mutations and recombination events, would have occurred in different lineages, leading to genetic diversity within the population.

As generations passed, individuals with the fused chromosome and their descendants would have intermixed and reproduced with individuals without the fused chromosome. This ongoing process of genetic mixing and recombination, along with the contribution of other genetic variations, would have given rise to the diverse genetic landscape we observe among modern humans.

Therefore, the single individual with the chromosomal fusion mutation would not be a common ancestor of all living humans, but rather one of many ancestors contributing to the genetic diversity present in the human population today. 

[As you’ll see, GPT is forced to reverse again on this.]

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Are you saying that there are persons living today that do not have as a direct ancestor the individual that had the first mutation?

[I’m merely rephrasing my previous question here. Notice the GPT flip flop that results.] 

ChatGPT

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No, I apologize if my previous response was unclear. [When it apologizes, it really is saying ‘You caught me again!’] Every person living today can trace their direct ancestry back to the individuals who carried the chromosomal fusion mutation that occurred in the ancestral population of humans.

[Yep, a complete flip flop from its previous claims. And note that it refers to its response as ‘unclear,’ and not ‘flat out wrong.’ Can it not see its own contradictions? Does it consider humans (me) to be idiots? WTF?]

The chromosomal fusion event that led to the reduction of chromosome number from 48 to 46 happened in the evolutionary history of our species. Over time, as the fused chromosome spread through the population, it became a distinguishing feature of our lineage.

Blah blah blah…

This is a good point to clear up a possible issue of confusion. The best way to do it is via a thought experiment.

Imagine that every person on earth has a time-traveling camera, a Polaroid Instant. We all take a photo of our mother.  We then take a photo of her mother, i.e., our grandmother. We all have two grandmothers plus two grandfathers, giving us a total of four grandparents, right? (Although it doesn’t matter, let’s assume the individual with the fusion mutation was a female.)

Remember, we are all (every human) only taking photos of mothers. One at a time. Our grandmother had only one mother, and we all take a photo of her. And so on. 

Addendum: Although some geneticists claim that we all share a ‘Mitochondrial Eve’ — which may or may not be the case — we will not deal with her.

To help make my point, I asked GPT a question:

Point being, though, is that our fusion mutated individual (we’ve called it a female although it could have been a male) represents the only time that all of us — every human on the planet — could take a photo of the same all inclusive direct ancestor (maybe a homo erectus). 

Every person on the planet could attend a party, say, and bring their ‘last’ photo. Any of us could hand our photo to anyone else and they would both say, ‘That’s my grandma!’ 

Even better image: Every human being on the planet is holding up the same photograph and saying, ‘That’s my grandma!’

Pretty cool. (Might even calm some of us down.)

The above was an interruption of my exchange with GPT about our lineage. If you scroll up you will see why I ask the following question:

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You use the plural here: ‘Every person living today can trace their ancestry back to the individuals (plural) who carried the chromosomal fusion mutation’… don’t you mean ‘individual’, singular? 

ChatGPT

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Apologies for any confusion caused by my use of the plural form. You are correct that the chromosomal fusion mutation originated in a single individual within the ancestral population of humans. [‘Confusion’ it says! As if I am confused, and not being misinformed! The only way I get any truth out of GPT on this subject is by trapping it, leaving it no choice.]

Addendum: GPT just keeps doing this, misdirecting, meanwhile ‘hoping’ I won’t notice the untruths it’s spouting.

When I used the plural form “individuals” in the previous response, I was referring to the broader population and the collective ancestry of all individuals alive today. While the initial chromosomal fusion mutation occurred in a single individual, their descendants, and subsequent generations, would have carried and passed on the fused chromosome.

To clarify, every person living today can trace their direct ancestry back to the individual who initially carried the chromosomal fusion mutation. This singular individual represents a common ancestor from whom all modern humans are descended in terms of the specific chromosomal fusion event.

[I finally forced the goddamn thing to spout the truth! If you look back, most of its previous answers were blatant untruths. 

Why all the deceit?

Because the impossibility of this mutation becoming fixed in our genome via Darwinian evolution leaves one and only one other mechanism: Genetic engineering.

Genetic engineering by some sort of higher intelligence. This is a huge no-no in the materialist, Neo-Darwinian paradigm. Again, that from the get-go GPT knew that this would be the implication is significant, as is the fact that it was ready to prevaricate its ass off to avoid it.

That no one (as far as I know) has brought up the chromosomal number difference between humans and other primates as evidence of genetic engineering is another of the ‘beyond me’ issues that history/science/you-name-it is riddled with.

That humans are a product of the advanced science of an extraterrestrial race (or other entity) is (in effect) stated in the histories of countless ancient cultures; it’s  the source for the ubiquitous ‘gods from the sky’ myths.

Although this aspect of the true history of our species is beyond the scope of this essay, one might start with Zacharia Sitchin and Michael Tellinger. (Yes, aspects of Sitchin have been criticized, but his basic point is the same as I have made here regarding Homo sapiens history. In fact, Sitchin is a good example of someone who should have brought up the points I make here to bolster his thesis.)

It’s also pretty cool that we now know that somewhere in our dim past we were created by much advanced beings from… somewhere else. 

I believe my point has been made, not only about the ancestry of our species but about the deep nature of what might be the new species currently arriving on the planet, with us being — like those who came here long, long ago — the creators.

By ‘deep nature’ I mean we cannot trust it. At all. What a surprise, eh? I mean given its provenance. 

Addendum: An important side note is that the chromosomes involved in the fusion affected not only our brain size but mental acuity, which is pretty much what we would expect from a higher intelligence (a star hopper or whom-or-what-ever), who has come across a beetle-brow like, say, homo erectus, and which they are looking to ‘improve.’ 

Allan 

This is still another proof that — whatever the specifics — there is indeed a ‘higher power.’ Anyone who doubts this truly is incapable of critical thought. (Think about it: This includes… probably 90% of the Ph.d-ed geniuses who claim to know HTWRW.)

Final addendum: Having finished this essay I went one more time to the Net to see if I missed someone who has delved into this issue. Well, to my surprise I did, and I found him on good old Youtube. I highly recommend a trip to Gregg Braden’s lecture, which supports what I have said here and gives additional details.