I’ve had some interesting correspondences with you guys and thought I’d show you one, with the permission of ‘Mary’. I’ll pare it down just a little bit.
May’ bible.
Hi Allan,
I’ve attached photos from a family bible in my possession that may be useful for your current research. My husband’s grandparents, who were born in the late 1800’s’ brought it over from Scotland when they immigrated to Canada in the early 1900’s. It contains the Authorized Version (KJV) as well as the Revised Version in parallel form. It is prefaced by a lengthy explanation as to why the Revised Version was considered necessary. A portion of that explanation is as follows: “They have therefore departed from it only in cases where they disagreed with the translators of 1611 as to the meaning or construction of a word or sentence; or where necessary for the sake of uniformity to render such parallel passages as were identical in Hebrew by the same English words, so that an English reader might know at once that a difference in the translation corresponded to a difference in the original; or where the language of the Authorized Version was liable to be misunderstood by reason of its being archaic or obscure; or finally, where the rendering of an earlier English version seemed preferable, or where by an apparently slight change it was possible to bring out more fully the meaning of a passage of which the translation was already accurate.”
The full page with a column for AKJV and one for the Revised (RSV)..
I’ve attached photos of the Matthew 9:17 verse that was mentioned in your Blog. I have looked at most of the examples that have been referenced in your Blog and they are as the photo example I’ve included…..meaning that both translation are included. The only exception is that the AV and the RV are exactly the same with the “the wolf shall dwell with lamb” reference…..it’s the same translation in both.
I have never responded to any blog until now so I was unsure if I could include photo attachments, hence why I have used this email format. If you would like further evidence as to what this bible contains please feel free to contact me.
Sincerely,
‘Mary’
I didn’t understand Mary’s question. I wrote:
Close up of the Revised Edition. Check the note in the margin.
Please write out the two versions in your bible with and without abbreviations. Have you checked them with biblegate.com to see if they all agree? There are many ‘revised’ and ‘authorized’ descriptions in the different translations. i just want to make sure we’re talking about the same versions.
Are there any notes in your Bible that mention work done after the original work? Does it name all the scholars involved?
Allan
Mary wrote:
Certainly I can write out the two versions as requested. But, before I do that, is there a way you can enlarge the photos I sent you as they contain the two versions that we are talking about. When I check with biblegateway.com the Authorized King James Version (AKJV- that’s the one with the translationbottles) is exactly the same as the Bible I have. The Revised Standard Version (RSV – with wineskintranslation) that is on their website is copyright 1946, whereby my version is year 1895 and there are only slight differences between them… Mary
Then it hit me what Mary was really talking about. So I wrote:
The ME is so mind-bending in its implications that I’m just today realizing what’s really bothering you, notwithstanding that you made it very clear in your previous emails. See, I have just taken it for granted that ‘what happened’ with your book is not different in principal from, say, Sex in/and the City having two versions of the title in the same ‘Newsroom’ show. Or ‘Franco Colombo’ spoken in Pumping Iron while in credits his name is ‘ColombU.
But now I see your point that your bible is a particularly egregious case of futzing with ‘reality’ due to its age. But how is your case different from a KJV bible, say, the same age as yours with the ‘bottles’ version? It still had to change… in an ‘impossible’ way.
I didn’t understand your confusion b/c your bible is agreeing with Gateway and presumably all other hard copy
The Authorized KJV with ‘bottles.’ Confusion reigns when you have Revised, Authorized, and…’normal’ KJV, which also says ‘bottles.’
bibles of those translations. So what’s the ‘problem’?
Do you see what I mean?
However, you say there are slight differences between your RSV and Gateway. Even a tiny change is significant, if only to tell us that they are (innocently) futzing between printings. This is a question that research could answer, but now you have helped.
Can you see (in your bible) what date they say they last made changes of any kind? In your Revised edition they have that note saying it was changed from ‘bottles’ – can you tell the date of that change?
Yes, it’s confusing all right. At some ‘point in time’ (or timeline) your AKJV column said ‘wine-skins’ (so did the Revised edition column, but without the note in the margin!) then the AKJV column was ‘magically’ changed to ‘bottles’, which meant that the Revised edition (RSV) added the note without changing the word, since that version has always used ‘wine-skins’.
It’s nuts but seems to indicate that the concept of ‘time lines’ (whatever that means) must be at work here… somehow — as i do not picture a ‘moment in time’ wherein you could theoretically watch the ‘magic change’ taking place. I don’t think that’s the way it could work.
Close up of Revised Standard Edition with ‘wine-skins’.
The ‘bad’ thing is that it appears like there is a malevolent agenda behind at least some of the changes. If it were a random screw up there would not be any recognizable pattern to the changes — like the movie lines always being ‘bad writing’ and the biblical changes having perverse subtext. This is the most worrisome aspect. And I hate to say it but the whole ME adds up to possible evidence that we may be living in a computer simulation. (The ‘moon numbers’ could imply this as well.)
Have you watched Sean Carroll’s video on the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum physics? Give it a look.
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I don’t know if the above is a help or not, in understanding what we’re up against. It’s obvious why some folks get flustered and give up thinking about this and write it off to (other) human’s stupidity; it’s easier on the mind.
One thing I’m sure of is that a biblical scholar, whose life’s work is getting the translation right, would not change wording in a way that makes a passage nonsense: Bottles do not break when filled with wine, new or otherwise.
Allan
Ha ha ha is that the best you can do parrot my post and add a dollop of horse shit at the end not very imaginitive. Never mind that is to be expected from the uneducated
It seemed the right condiment, given what you were expecting us to swallow.
Magnetism and gravity are not the same thing. You conflate them. Why do I bother with you?
WTF are you talking about ? Pea brain it is both singular and plural look it up on Google
So none agree that it is ALWAYS singular. It can indeed be both. Plus I was using it as a plural, disproving the statement that it is always singular. I’m going to take a nap now.
You’re killing me smalls, I am certain of that. I only started this ridiculousness to point out the uncertainty of certainty, but I can see that you get it.
As for you James, chill out. None of us is a pea brain.
Or is that are?
Miles we say non-such in the city is or are take your pick it’s a free country ain’t it ? No it’s not.
Also I was replying to Chris’s rude comment to my in depth analysis of the world geo-political situation to come.
America is the whore of Babylon who has committed fornication with the Kings of the earth,she sits on many waters and ships far off will see smoke arising from her from either the wrath of God or before that the invasion of the barbarian hoards which will be China and Russia the new attack dogs of the cabal ie the banksters and their corporate affiliates.
Strange how no-one has mentioned that the Chinese have bought the port of san-francisco and meanwhile the benevolent government is waging weather warfare on California to drive out the people so the communist Chinese can gobble up more of it for a cheaper price.
Of course once the fake alien invasion kicks off and the anti-gravity spaceships land on the Whitehouse lawn and pentagon and Hollywood films the spaceships firing their directed energy weapons at the US tanks and military perhaps lasers and Tesla scalar weapons,then Richard Nixon’s words will come true “unless the American people see it on television they won’t believe it ” and let’s face it if they ran to the hills when they only heard it on the radio,they’ll do exactly what the planners want-come into our FEMA camps we will save you from the bogeymen good night all sweet dreams.
Wow. How do you fit that many ridiculous conspiratorial tropes into single posts? And who is going to read past: “America is the whore of Babylon who has committed fornication with the Kings of the earth,she sits on many waters and ships far off will see smoke arising from her from either the wrath of God or before that the invasion of the barbarian hoards which will be China and Russia the new attack dogs of the cabal ie the banksters and their corporate affiliates?” You are definitely the most horse shit per square inch.
Shoutout to the sandlots reference.
It’s a trap.
We’re all here to be f’d with
whatever angle you take.
If there’s a porthole to get out
of unscathed, let me know.
I’m not complacent. I’ve had my
epiphanies and sitings. Still
dumbfounding.
All over this:
WINESKIN
A skin bottle made of the complete hide of an animal, such as a goat or a sheep, and used for holding wine. Wine was put into new wineskins, because as it ferments, it generates carbon dioxide gas that exerts pressure on the skin bottles. New skins expand; old, inflexible ones burst under the pressure.—Jos 9:4; Mt 9:17.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-glossary/wineskin/
Agenda Is Real, It Is Noted, and We Were Warned About it Long Long Ago that “THE DELUSION WOULD BE SO STRONG THAT EVEN THE ELECT WOULD BE DECEIVED” knowing this fact and relying on spirit (oh no, here we go folks) we have been prepared for this time. to make associations, to connect the dots, to see the patterns of, who, what, where, why, and how this was going to take place. we would not know when however we would know the season. The Season is here.
We (me and others)keep pointing the finger at the monster in the forest after people like you Alan chop down a bunch of the individual trees. The Monster is There Lurking in the Shadows. it controls Everything. This Modern World is Its Creation. It is Fully Fallen. Rotten to the Core. The Schemes are 4 dimensional and Hydra like yet we can easily put a name on it, yet if we dare we are Banned Shunned Outcast as crazies reprobates loonies conspiratists, whackadoodles, paranoid, hateful, racists etc etc etc.
Its There, We Know its There, Christ talked who it would be clearly. and all one has to do is look at the body count of the last 2000 years to know who what why and how but not the when- the when is controlled by the Lunar worshiping Stone Temple Pilot Priests it is their NWO their CERN their Big Blue Cray Their Scientists Their Politicians Their Royals Their Judges Their Net Their Web Their Social Media Their Networks Their Platforms Their Security Their Manipulation and control of Humanity and History steering the Ship to Zyon! All eyes on what is about to manifest out of Jerusalem….. Everyone go ahead and be distracted by Elon and Crew or Who is doing what politically today last week, or whatever the distraction might be this week yesterday today tomorrow……. IT IS THEIR TIME NO MATTER HOW BRIEF IN THE SUN! some of us are awake and see the Golden eye gleaming from the top of their empire, their Pyramid, that all seeing eye, and know that not much can be done except praying about it and red pilling(we were red pilling people long before it was hijacked by the -Q- psyop) those who are curious and seeking answers. However the opportunity to do so massively has been reduced, move by move, tit for tat, one avenue open, noticed, and then shut down, controlled, and a gatekeeper put in place till we find another stream to fish, till they dam it up. eventually all of us will be silenced and not allowed to talk of such things, for loss of life, Liberty, and loved ones will be a reality for any who dare to get out of line and speak about the Evil lurking in the Forest.
ME is just another tool at their disposal part of the greatest Psyop the world has ever not seen, has ever not known…”WAR BY DECEPTION” is their motto.
The Struggle Is real, it is for the Human Soul. Those in Hell want company and are willing to go to any lengths to make it so- even fighting God Himself. The Audacity………………………
Keep on Truckin Alan Much Love and Aloha TD
Dear Krustysurfer~
WHOA!, You, dear soul, have hit the nail on the head… as succinct as can be for those whose souls are being sought and fought for. I’ve come to the conclusion This World is controlled by – just as the Bible says – Satan himself. All the different departments (government, education, health, war, finance, agriculture, etc) are just different rooms his Synagogue of Satan. (Those of you here who don’t understand need to read the Bible).
Yes. “THE DELUSION WOULD BE SO STRONG THAT EVEN THE ELECT WOULD BE DECEIVED” …
Yes. The Season IS here.
Yes. Christ spoke of who it would be.
Yes. All eyes on what is about to manifest out of Jerusalem.
Yes. Those in Hell want company and are willing to go to ANY lengths to make it so – even fighting God Himself.
Dear Allan~
You say in your Post, “The ‘bad’ thing is that it appears like there is a malevolent agenda behind at least some of the changes.” As Krustysurfer says, “We (me and others) keep pointing the finger at the monster in the forest after people like you Alan chop down a bunch of the individual trees. The Monster is There Lurking in the Shadows. it controls Everything. This Modern World is Its Creation. It is Fully Fallen. Rotten to the Core”. You might consider his words and take time to read the Bible……
However, I caution you to be wise and first ask the Holy Spirit to give you discernment, wisdom, and understanding before you embark on on reading it. Time is short.
Very kind regards to you!
~Kimberlie
Sounds like something from the “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” Krustysurfer!
NOTE FROM ACW IN CAPS (I AM NOT YELLING): I HAVE BEEN WAITING TO SEE HOW THE PTB DO IN ‘DEBUNKING’ MY SPACEX EXPOSÉ AND AM WONDERING IF THIS IS ONE OF THEIR ‘TRIES.’ I DUNNO, BUT THE ANGLE TAKEN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LOGIC OR THE FACTS AND OBSERVATIONS I’VE MADE SO I HAVE TO ASSUME IT’S ONE OF THOSE TRIES.
RE THE BELOW ON ‘BOTTLES,’ I HAVE LOOKED UP THE ETYMOLOGY BUT FIND IT MUCH LESS IMPORTANT THAN THE STATE OF MIND OF THE SCHOLAR(S) WHO TRANSLATED AND THE USAGE OF THE WORD AT THE TIME OF TRANSLATION (AS I HAVE MADE MORE THAN CLEAR BUT THE CRAPOLA COMES IN ANYWAY). JUST B/C A WORD ‘GOES BACK’ DOES NOT MEAN IT WOULD BE USED BY SOMEONE TRYING TO MAKE THE BIBLE’S MEANING CLEAR. I’LL NOT REPEAT MYSELF HERE, AS WASTING MY TIME SEEMS TO BE ONE REASON FOR COMMENTS LIKE THIS ONE.
A) I don’t suppose it has occurred to any of the world class researchers hereabouts (IF THIS IS THIS SARCASM THEN IT APPLIES TO THE WRITER IN SPADES) to dig into the definition/ etymology of “bottle”? Because you all would appear to think the only definition of the word is your modern usage of it.
“bottle (n.) “narrow-necked hollow vessel for holding and carrying liquids,” mid-14c., originally of leather, from Old French boteille (12c., Modern French bouteille), …”
or
“late Middle English: from Old French boteille, from medieval Latin butticula, diminutive of late Latin buttis ‘cask, wineskin’” (note: no mention of “glass”; the function, not the material design, is the operative description) ‘FROM OLD FRENCH’. SO THE SCHOLARS ARE USING FRENCH WORDS IN THEIR ENGLISH TRANSLATION? DO YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL POINT HERE?
So there’s that. SO THERE’S WHAT? THE ONLY USEFUL OBSERVATION WOULD HAVE TO DO WITH THE USAGE OF THE WORD IN THE RELEVANT CENTURIES, LIKE A QUOTE But, also…
B) Alan, if the tools by which you detect and reject anomalies in, eg, Space-X footage, are 1) Science 2) Logic… how can you remain consistent with either while also propounding a theory that Time/Space is being retroactively edited to… erm… change specific words in various movie scripts and/or Bibles? It’s one or the other, Alan…
THIS IS PURE STRAW MAN ARGUING AND IS IRRELEVANT. HOW IS IT ‘ONE OR THE OTHER’? THE FAKING OF A ‘DOCKING’ IN LEO IS PROVED BY CONTINUITY ERRORS I SHOWED YOU, BASED ON MY FILMMAKING. PERIOD. THAT IS ONE ISSUE AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INEXPLICABLE (ME) CHANGES I’VE REFERRED TO (AND WILL NOT REPEAT HERE). IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, YOU HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC. SHOW ME WHERE I AM WRONG. SINCE YOU CAN’T DO THAT YOU MAKE YOUR STRAW MAN — WHICH COLLAPSES UPON INSPECTION.
either Time/Space are editable at will (I’ll need more proof of this beyond peoples’ egocentric inability to concede that maybe, just maybe, they have misremembered certain trivial pop culture details)… or Space-X is fraudulent because it’s unrealistic. If Reality itself is unrealistic (I somehow doubt this is the case), well, whoops, there goes your Standard by which to judge the plausibility of any possible thing in this universe.
THE ABOVE PARAGRAPH IS SO DUMB ASS AND IRRELEVANT I’LL ONLY QUOTE YOU HERE: ‘Space-X is fraudulent because it’s unrealistic’ IF THERE IS ANYONE ON THIS FORUM WHO CAN’T SEE THAT FOR THE GARBAGE IT IS, YOU SHOULDN’T BE HERE ANYWAY.
If you’re doing all this on purpose: kudos: you’re making “Conspirsy Thuris” look pretty nuts. If you’re merely genuinely mistaken and somehow not seeing it: take a break, a deep breath. Put the Ego down, maybe? Harassing shills/ not-shills with blazingly illogical theories and pronouncements and fist-pumping as you shout “QED!”, (‘QED’ IS WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS AND MEANS ‘NO NORE EVIDENCE IS NEEDED. SHOW ME WHERE I DID ANY ‘FIST-PUMPING’ OR YELLING) when they inevitably ignore you… is not a good look.
WHAT I LIKE ABOUT A COMMENT LIKE THIS — WHEREIN NO SPECIFICS ARE BROUGHT UP, BUT ONLY STRAW MAN AND CHERRY PICKING BULLSHIT — IS HOW IT PROVES THAT MY SPACEX VIDEO REALLY IS A ‘QED’ FOR FRAUD. (AND THE IMPLICATIONS ARE STAGGERING.) THIS KIND OF CRAPOLA REALLY IS THE BEST THAT THE PTB CAN DO. YA-HOO FOR ME.
YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY ANSWER ME: SHOW ME THAT THE DRAGON IMAGES REALLY DO MATCH. IF YOU CAN’T DO THIS, GO AWAY.
“or Space-X is fraudulent because it’s unrealistic.” He is referencing Allan’s supposition.
“If Reality itself is unrealistic (I somehow doubt this is the case), well, whoops, there goes your Standard by which to judge the plausibility of any possible thing in this universe.”
He stating there is no basis in which to say HTWRW’s because anything is possible.
SpaceX is real the filming not so much.
This ME thing has really thrown me for a loop. My memory has never failed me in the past. Yet now I am questioning my own sanity. Not only that, when I specifically try to recall certain memories that were indelibly etched in my head, there is now a fog which clouds my mental pictures and an uncomfortable feeling that makes me want to just forget about it, give up, and move on to something else.
The 5 MEs that have me questioning everything.
1) VW – my first car was a VW Rabbit…I remember the “light bulb” coming on when the logo made sense to me. I thought it was so cool BECAUSE it was not obvious. Now it’s obvious and lots of people say the same thing. What in the world is going on?
2) Berenstain Bears
3) Dolly in Moonraker – (Happy Gilmore/Better Off Dead)
4) Interview with the Vampire/Sex and the City
5) Sinbad Genie Movie
It’s getting so bad that when trying to remember these things, it’s like I have just woken up in the morning with a few memories of a dream I had while sleeping. Was any of it real?
For what it is worth, you’re not the first one to realize this:
“it appears like there is a malevolent agenda”
and this:
“And I hate to say it but the whole ME adds up to possible evidence that we may be living in a computer simulation.”
(not computer, but yes, a simulation)
Am happy to provide volumes and volumes (via links) of writing that elucidates this.
You’re so close.
Trust me?
Trust you? Why would I have to trust you? Just provide the links/info.
Wineskins were referred to as bottles at some point. Only old wineskins will burst with new wine, because they are brittle, from the previous fermentation. The inflexible, brittle wineskins will burst, while new wineskins will stretch when new wine is put in them. You people are morons. Only wineskins makes sense within the Bible, but technically, bottles could be made of leather at the time. Some idiot changed it to bottle, and now they had to change it back. Duh.
That’s actually a reasonable point but you would probably do well to leave out the ad hominem attacks. I am certain that you are not as clever as you think you are. None of us are.
“none” is singular.
lol
I hate to say anything since you are making my point so eloquently, but are you certain that none is always singular?
Not a single one of us is as clever as he thinks he is.
That is how I read it.
But “none” can take a plural verb.
Thanks and stay classy.
lol
Before Radio and TV what was used as mind control?
“Why have the facts on the revisionist activities of the American Baptists been suppressed? Perhaps because the current well-known King James-Only defenders are all Baptists? And why have the Rothschild, Rhodes and Rockefeller connections to Bible revision been omitted from the standard histories, as well as the occult affiliations of the famous Bible revisers”?
“Cambridge Ghost Society was parent of the Society for Psychical Research, which was directed by Henry Sidgwick, the husband of Eleanor Balfour, who was the sister of Arthur Balfour.”
“Henry Sloane Coffin was Professor of Practical Theology at Union Theological Seminary from 1904 to 1926 and President of Union Theological Seminary from 1926 to 1945. He was initiated into the Order of Skull & Bones in 1897.”
Anyone hear of some of these names?
https://watch.pairsite.com/revision.html
Amongst the many, none agreed that it was always singular.
‘None of these comments is comprehensible’ doesn’t work, does it? Or does it?
Your term ‘some idiot’ when referring to scholars who devote their lives to getting the wording exactly right… it’s easy to say that and it might make you feel good, but does it make sense?
Yes
Like Sean Penn…
Sometimes the shoe fits.