I’m hitting the road in a bit and will be on the road for a couple days; I wanted to be in touch but have to keep it short. My intention upon waking up this morning was to include in this post a warning to ‘Lou’ – who, for those not monitoring Comments, has been making stupendously ignorant (and stupid) statements about HTWRW – that if he submits one more comment ignoring my Walter video and/or Barbara Honegger’s 9/11/Pentagon presentation, he will be banned from future commenting. This was my intention. (No, it’s not censorship since repetitive drivel is not censorable.) As fate would have it, however, ‘Lou’ (whom I know pretty well from Montauk) managed to outdo himself (apparently while I was sleeping), to the extent that I found myself… actually LOLing… (strictly speaking, it should be L-ingOL, I suppose). So I asked myself How could I ban someone who creates such genuine mirth, if inadvertently? For those curious, here’s the knee-slapper:
Allan, Have you read the Popular Mechanics report that debunks all of the 9/11 conspiracy theories? I’ve read some of the synopses online and they seem to provide credible answers to all of your questions.
I know, I know, it’s amusing in its obvious naivety and so forth but what struck me as… LOLable is this: Popular 
Mechanics put out a book ‘debunking’ ‘conspiracy theories’ that was based on an article they did in their magazine, right? Lou, in his ‘research’, not only did not read the book but didn’t even read the article; what he did was read one or two reviews. Should we even try to estimate how many layers from any semblance of ‘truth’ Lou based his comment upon?
Sorry, that last sentence was not well constructed (I’m in a hurry), but I suspect most of you get the drift: If for some reason I was to try to expose… to sum up… to hammer home, a profound state of empty-headedness regarding the events of 9/11/01, I could not have done so more powerfully, more succinctly, than Lou has done, yet in a way so multi-layered, so laden with subtext… Maybe in my younger writing days I could have… Anyway… that Lou doesn’t have a clue (there’s a limerick around here somewhere) that his comments are comedic only heightens the absurdity. Lou: ramble on, and continue to ignore everyone’s suggestion that you get specific.
Barbara giving her presentation.
The Comment section. Wow. By the time you read this just my last post (‘Yesterday’s Troubles, Part Two’) will have somewhere around 90 comments. I sure didn’t expect this… and I have to keep in mind that most of the people reading these words do not follow the comments, let alone contribute to them; I have to be careful to avoid losing the attention of this majority… I haven’t done a head count but it’s obvious that most of the commenting is done by a relative handful of folks.
Please also keep in mind the implications of my personal knowledge of the fellow with ‘300 Facebook identities’ (these words were outright spoken), coupled with my (limited) knowledge of how the PTB deal with ‘the opposition’ (us), i.e., primarily by misdirection, disinformation, limited hangout (LH), and a general ‘muddying of the water.’ Noise.
I believe I’ve run off at least one ‘troll’ (government operative), the commenter who identified himself in different ways but used the same language on the same subject as someone who’s been trolling me with emails for years. Others of his ilk are undoubtedly lurking and I urge you to take care in engaging those who subtly indicate an agenda. Knowing I’m on the lookout and delight in exposing deceit, I suspect that subtle and patient infiltration will be the M.O. In a most forums, the damaging of discourse is by simple muddying of the waters: I bring up a subject that may be worthwhile, it gets changed, albeit without hostility or even disagreement. One of you makes a good point, discourse is steered elsewhere. And so forth.
General Clarke’s testimony gives the game away.
Ninety comments. That’s a lot. Just in the number we have some muddying of the water. Listen. I do try to make good points in my posts; I’m not always successful and I do tend to go on too long, but I’m doing my best. In my last post I dealt with culture creation (a.k.a. ‘soft mind control’) via TV, and, less directly, how there are boiler rooms and the like teaming with disinfo agents with ‘300 Facebook identities,’ and whose agenda is deceit, partially via the invasion of forums like this one.
Yes, it’s easy to get paranoid (the irrational belief that someone is out to get you). Furthermore, conversations do naturally ‘branch’: In discussing soft mind control, 9/11 naturally comes up and someone suggests Barb Honegger’s lecture – and again I thank you for reminding me – then Lou cracks us all up (or most of us) with his nonsense and all this is to be expected, but there is a line between ‘Oh, that reminds me of something else’ and flat out misdirection. So I would ask that none of you take what I’m saying personally (other than the at least one troll who is out there), while at the same time suggesting that you try to keep on-topic in any one post. If you come across something, a link or other sort of information you think is important but is off-topic, use your judgment on whether it’s worth the diversion.
Especially keep an eye out for anyone who seems to be trying to create a ‘following.’ Also be advised that a troll ‘assigned’ to a forum (like this one) is likely to work in multiple identities. Think of the ‘conversation’ or ‘argument’ someone with 300 Identities could concoct in order to distract or disinform.
I repeat the ‘300 (Facebook) identities’ issue for good reason: the implications thereof. Recall how it went: I’m at a private compound — middle of nowhere, security gate, commercial pot plants by the row — invited there by someone I met at an Electric Universe conference. He introduces me to the 300 identities guy, an intense, taciturn young fellow in a computer alcove, playing his Mac like a Steinway, and who might as well have had ‘spook’ tattooed on his forehead. The next day I’m asked to leave, for no good reason (after barely arriving). The Steinway spook had played a riff with my sorry ass name in the melody…
I mentioned the Barbara Honegger lecture that one of you put in a comment (it was perfectly on-subject given Lou’s profound ignorance on the subject of 9/11). Those who don’t follow the comments should be advised that the presentation is a very important one; I strongly urge you view it; it’s long, I know. Set aside the time. Lou of course will not do this, or if he does, will remain silent on it. This is part of his insanity and there is nothing you can do about it. Trust me on this. Don’t burn your time/energy trying to ‘reason’ with him. You have to know when to move on.
NLP anyone?
I know Barbara Honegger fairly well from an email conversation we had in 2014-15, and was actually going to bring her up in the context of cognitive dissonance, how it can even apply to the likes of ‘us’: Barbara is sure that at least one real airliner was used at the WTC and, it appears, is not amenable to changing her mind. (She’s quite adamant about it in her presentation.) I tried before and contacted her a couple days ago, partially on the same subject (with my new information re the Spacex ‘illusions’ and how they might relate to what ‘witnesses’ think they ‘see’). Thing is, the subject itself, at least in the context of our disagreement, is irrelevant. Like arguing whether a murder was via a Colt or a Glock. Except for how it implies direct media participation in the event. Barbara does seem aware of this. (She also just told me she’s read The Most Dangerous Book in the World; so, FYI, we have another recommendation.)
The reason I had contacted Barbara back in 2014 was to alert her to the James Corbett Open Letter; the fact that Corbett is dirty. FYI, here’s a quote from one of her emails…
Addendum: I’d quoted Barbara strongly agreeing with me on the Corbett Open Letter, about 20 words that also mentioned his refusal to have her on his Corbett Report, but she objected to my quoting her directly. I wrote back that I was disappointed she felt this way, given that a direct quote is stronger than a paraphrase (and impossible to misinterpret) and that ‘plants’ are a big problem with the so-called ‘Truth Movement.’ But, respecting her wishes, I took it down and added this addendum.
In my email I suggested that having Corbett support the official fiction in a formal 9/11 Truth Conference was a way for the PTB to give us the finger: ‘See, we’re everywhere!’ kind-of-a-thing. Corbett of course knew this but was nevertheless hoping no one would notice; it could screw up his plan to become an alt media pundit. And he almost got away with it. I didn’t blow the whistle on his NLP for two years, until he insulted our intelligence in another way. I know for a fact that my Open Letter – plus the follow up – upset him. (What’s upsetting to me is that out of some 350 comments on his Youtube lecture, only one other person even noticed his repetition of the Big Lie, i.e., that American Flight 77 did the damage to the Pentagon.)
The face of an actual terrorist.
Well, shit, I meant to make this short; didn’t work. I gotta get moving. Talk to you later.
Allan
To any serious ‘IT geek’ out there who wants to help, what does this mean? Contact me via email.
The better construction (if formal, literary english is really what we want) :
Should we even try to estimate upon which layer outside any semblance of ‘truth’ Lou based his comment ?
Or:
Should we even try to estimate upon how many layers from any semblance of ‘truth’ Lou stood when he made his comment ?
I also thought the troll was me. My diversion was to certain folks to click to a site NeonR that they normally wouldn’t do.To me it shows a psyop to corral the conspiracy crowd to team Trump. This would keep this group from criticizing his movement and bring them to back him. It contains much of the sick stuff that many of us have endured trying to get at the truth. I also think much of what that site says is true and the guy writing it is smart. Whether he is in on it or an independent I do not know. I think the subject was looked at to hastily by Allan and that it should be looked at more closely do to how big a following it has.
My second link to rulingclassobserver which is a psyop in my opinion, was to get folks to look at NeonR through this filter by again enticing one to click on yet another site they most likely haven’t seen. Hence using a psyop to look at another psyop. I also think this site(RCO) is mostly true to the point of view of the club we ain’t in. Both sites highly relevant to HTWRW.
Perhaps, I also make myself look like a troll to keep people on their toes and to not be too sure of what to think. Using a Q phrase “future proves past”which is what I am doing here as a point. If I can get someone to think I am a troll think how easy it would be for the ones whom are trained in this? I didn’t go to college and my mind was elsewhere from K to 12 even though I remember Jeff Rense as my 5th grade football coach at a place not far from Jalama.
I don’t think Musk’s rockets are a complete illusion but I can entertain the thought. I don’t think grid fins only change the angle of a projectile. And I don’t think trees burn from the inside out from micowaves or laser beams. I also think “Most Dangerous Book” is written by a shill using Wikipedia as a predominate source to blame 911 on nefarious weirdos, of which, there are many. That guy is no expert in the subject he is writing about. I also think you can bend steel with fire but you can’t drop a steel+ building at the speed of a falling golf ball with fire.Supin else is involved. Snopes and Penn + Teller is a good starting point on the subject*
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Re your last paragraph, it’s nice to know you’re doing so much ‘thinking’! And if you’ve paid any attention at all, you’d know that I’ve said many times that the book is by a shill. It’s limited hangout. But don’t pay attention to the facts at your own peril.
I read the book.So I agree with you on that one and I am punished??? What is your “thinking” on the steps involved in getting a tree to burn inside out. How do microwaves do it? Wouldn’t heating a tree with microwaves make the tree crack open do to H2o expanding? I mean if you critically think about it? Where is your evidence of me not paying attention? Can’t I agree with you on some things and not on other things? Do you not think I saw several times that you said the writer was Neo-con affiliated? Did you point out the writers use of Wikipedia? Like MM?
Can I read you for what I get and discard what I don’t. Doesn’t your doo-hicky know I have read all your posts. Didn’t I tell you I don’t do videos cause I am on satellite?
Can’t you get along with anyone?
My impression was that your last paragraph was stuff you disagreed with me about or that I didn’t know. Hence my ‘pay attention’… my reply was not on the shill/troll subject at all. I suppose I thought you’d brought up the tree issue before… i sounded harsher than I meant it. I can get frustrated and take it out on people. my bad when i do that.
Anyone recommending the Leftovers either hasn’t seen it or is a total sado-masochist. That’s the worst, most boring, uneventful, P.O.S. ever created, IMHO. I was so pissed at the time I wasted watching that show, basically watching people smoke and grieve for hours on end. Maybe it got better in seasons two and three, but season one is unwatchable even with likeable actors/ actresses. Rather get back to deciding who is a fraud and who is worth listening too. Allen, you could turn into a useful public service after all.
I haven’t gotten around to it but will keep your review in mind.
I recommended the leftovers specifically for the ending back when Allan was asking for perfect endings and we were talking about good long form story telling.
If you haven’t seen all three seasons, then you know not of what you speak.
And it is weirdly relevant to this Lou – centric discussion.
Of course, at the end of the day, it’s just a TV show. Take it or leave it…
Hard to tell if Lou is just ignorant or is in fact a troll. To use his analogy the jury’s still out. By the way letting a jury decide whether the laws of physics apply is totally idiotic.
Here he tries to say that the burden of proof rests on us when in fact it rests on the Government who has not proven their case at all. FEMA’s report which includes what I call the “magic pancake theory” which is basically the same as NIST’s idiocy of a “progressive collapse” are both physically untenable.
The fact is that no tall steel structure has ever collapsed in the history of architecture and engineering before or since from structural fires. Also the WTC Towers were specifically designed to resist the impact of a large commercial jet, specifically a 707 which as I pointed out earlier is about the same size as a 767 and also slightly heavier since at that time they used DU for ballast.
So we know that what FEMA and NIST claim that a plane made of Aluminum was able to penetrate the Towers made of two inch thick steel I-beams is physically impossible. I don’t care what any so called jury has to say about this.
As I wrote on my own personal blog if NIST or FEMA would like to prove otherwise. They could have an independent real world crash test done to prove their theory instead of a silly computer simulation.
My estimation is that it would turn out something like this Phantom Jet :
https://youtu.be/CZ8uvQk1H9I
This would apply to the Pentagon as well.
Anyway, we can start with what we know and that is the Official Conspiracy Theory AKA 9/11 Commission Report is a big lie which is why people like Lou believe it.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Joseph Goebbels
What actually happened and how it was done?
http://impiousdigest.com/russia-presents-evidence-against-us-uk-and-israel-as-being-the-actual-911-terrorist-2/
Please pay attention: Lou is not a troll. Walter is not a troll. That’s the problem.
Then that’s even scarier. Almost like Invasion of the Body Snatchers! Especially in the case of Walter who seemed to be totally transformed into a pod person according to your video.
Did you ever find out what was the cause of this amazing and disturbing transformation from potential 9/11 Official Story skeptic to True Believer?
Best to think of it like Body Snatchers in reverse. It took the twin towers to shock the percipient out of their hypnosis. People are still gradually waking up, but more mini-shocks (staged events) are still needed to continue the process.
Meanwhile, the pod people continue their conditioned delusion that it is simply terrorism/psychopathy at work, and that with their ever more powerful totalitarian police state and antifa/safe-space/inclusiveness policies they will soon completely wipe them out and win the war on terror once and for all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP_SdjD5ms
Just as pod-people can’t conceive as to how 911 could be an inside job, so there are those that can’t conceive as to how 911 could be intended to ‘wake people up’ – instead of simply being a FF to permit US expansionalism (a la Barbara Honegger).
What caused it was doublethink, a great example thereof. There is more in the comments to the video.
That’s generous of you.
I only accept the ‘willfully ignorant’ ploy to a minimal degree, as far as I’m concerned, the ‘willfully ignorant’ would not keep coming back and commenting , arguing, etc unless they had an agenda.
Only a ‘troll’ keeps coming back and repeating the same discredited false and stupid nonesense and by ‘troll’ I mean paid agent.
I sure like the comment section you have added. Love you all!
For anyone who still thinks planes hit the towers or pentagon for that matter let me assure you aluminum cannot do that. It is very soft and steel is very hard in comparison. I will only put this link to keep my comment short. But I promise you airliners never hit the towers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P2EfH_EBRs
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Hi I just wondered if any of you heard the theory by Dimitri Khalezov that the missile that hit the pentagon was a Russian made cruise missile stolen by us forces from the submarine called the Kursk which sank off the coast of Norway in 2000 the missile called Granite was capable of going at mach 2 which I believe is roughly 1,500 MPH according to Khalezov the bush cartel cynically left the mini nuke warhead inside but removed the trigger mechanism that accounts for the reason the FBI team were wearing hazmat suits the real reason they went there was to remove the hard drives of the computers which showed the 2.3 trillion dollars stolen the day before was transferred to the European central bank ?
I hadda take a nap after reading your sentence!
Allan,
I will endeavor to watch the Barbara Honegger video in time. But I did watch the Walter video carefully and attentively. Yes, you make a convincing case with the footage that you presented to Walter. I don’t have the expertise nor access to all evidence available to be able to confirm or deny your conclusions. Again, your presentation, left on its own leads to the conclusion that the video you presented was possibly doctored. But there are others who do have the capability to study these videos and address your allegations objectively and they offer answers to the theories that the planes were faked. Here is one of those sites that offers some answers:
http://debunkingnoplanes.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-lies-of-ace-baker.html
I realize that your two points that the plane was not lit and that two different live videos show the second plane coming in at different angles are not addressed here. I don’t have the time to find a second opinion who takes an opposing view to yours on those two particular points but enough of these theories of there being no planes have been debunked to cause me to remain unconvinced.
Think of me as a member of a jury where you are the prosecutor of a case in which you accuse the government of faking the 9/11 attack. You and the experts you put on the stand make your case presenting evidence such as the Walter video. The defense presents expert testimony from varying backgrounds who demonstrate evidence that debunks your accusations and your version of events. I am an ordinary citizen without film editing expertise nor any engineering knowledge, physics etc. I only have a relatively intelligent ability to be rational and deductive. So far in the trial, you have not been able to remove several major obstacles in my mind that convert me to your point of view even though I have a proclivity to generally favor the unconventional and the underdog. Despite you calling me stupid, ignorant and naive, I still continue to leave the door open to you and not slam it in your face by unsubscribing.
You can whittle down your blog subscribers to a perfectly honed homogeneous group of agreeable followers if that’s what makes you happy. That’s an understandable aspiration for someone who has been battling opposing forces in one form or another for many years and now wishes to repose in serenity surrounded by fawning comradeship. But if you want to continue your quixotic quest, just as you so persistently hammered me to watch the Walter video and the B. Honegger video, you should give your time to the opposing presentations.
This is outside the main topic of the Walter Video but it is a youtube video that debunks the contention that steel not being able to melt at the temperatures of the fires that engulfed the collapsed buildings. As a juror I find this piece of evidence, albeit only a microcosm of the wider scope conspiracy, a telling example of how a bit of misinformation propagates into wider untruths.
https://youtu.be/FzF1KySHmUA
At a gas station and don’t have time to waste on you. Briefly, jurors are asked if they can use their common sense to come to conclusions about cause and effect. You cannot do this, so you would not be on a jury to begin with.
In the case of the Walter video, you didn’t even have to use your own (missing) common sense. You only had to listen to Walter. That Walter did a 180 flip flop with no actual explanation (this is the real point of the video) is irrelevant.
And you say… ‘I will endeavor to watch the Barbara Honegger video in time.’ Really? Okay, let me know when you have… endeavored… to view it. Until then, keep off this forum; I will delete any posts. If I could stop you from reading my blog, I would. It gives me the willies knowing you might read what I’m writing: I keep remembering the vacancy in your eyes that time at your party. It frightened me, and still does.
Hey Lou, Using big fancy words and elaborate syntax won’t make your weak arguments and dubious sources more convincing. 😉 So you really think the fire at 911 made ALL the steel columns in the building glow white? Even if (which is impossible because there were only localized fires and not “fires that engulfed the collapsed buildings” what is the force that pushed them to the side (like the guy in your video who still uses his force to bend them – without that force the glowing bar would still hold its shape perfectly …)? And even if some steel bars were glowing, as you claim, the towers would have just slowly collapsed sideways like a melting wax candle by the logic of your Youtube video. So your linguistic gymnastics debunk nothing and are certainly no piece of evidence to explain anything that happened with the towers that day. Actually it is your comment that is a “bit of misinformation” that “propagates more distraction into wider untruths.” 🙂
Methinks the tragedy here is that people are looking at the big picture with microscopes. The big picture?
Your government is corrupt and evil and needs to be overthrown immediately. But that would involve people turning off their computers, getting off their asses and taking action, possibly risking *gasp* life and limb in the pursuit of freedom.
Face it. We don’t want change or justice, we want to be outraged and smug and righteous.
Sigh… have at it Lou. Have at it ‘anti-Lou’s’
Meanwhile…
One more thing: Stop subjecting us to irrelevant and moronic links. It’s another waste of our time. That last one, did you notice that it has ‘Comments Disabled’? In a video that means that so many people pointed out how fucking stupid it is that the makers of the video had to shut them up. And WHAT did it have to do with anything here?
Lou,
Your comments are so amusing I was forced to share the following with you.
In this age of media deceit, misinformation, and outright lies, that you don’ t seem to be aware of, it takes time and real courage to seek out and discover the truth, whether you like what the truth is. You may not like the truth although you not liking the truth doesn’t change the fact it is the truth.
Dee Cota~ It’s a shame today that people don’t like/want to hear the truth because their ‘feelings’ are hurt by the truth. So they, in effect, bully those who hurt their feelings into silence. “Waahhh-waahhh, such and such hurt my feelings. They shouldn’t be allowed to speak ‘hateful things.'” Anything that is out there as truth that hurts someone’s feelings must be hate speech. This is the new social construct. Whattayawanna bet Lou is under that same ‘BabyThink’? Look at a couple of some of the new ‘words’ out there within the last 10 years: hoodie, selfie. These are BABY words! Ga ga, goo goo! Ugh!, The population is dumbed down and directed back into childhood, or in the present case, not allowed to leave childhood and mature into adulthood. Yep, this is the new social construct. Lou can’t help his response to not accepting the truth. He’d rather believe his lying eyes. That’s just the way the PTB like it.
It’s unfortunate Barbara wouldn’t let you quote her directly. This shows that getting the truth out isn’t easy.
I have an old friend named Lou
Who seems to have nothing to do.
He bugs me each day
And I brush him away.
It’s clear that he hasn’t a clue.
No offense, Lou! It was too easy.
Bingo!
Allan, what do you hope to accomplish by going along with the PTB’s plan to divide the 9-11 truth movement by arguing endlessly about what hit the Pentagon? That’s probably why they confiscated all the videos that would have shown the remotely guided 757 coming in. Beating the same horse for over 15 years seems more than a bit counterproductive. You really study this information. Every piece of evidence and every statement presented is solid.
http://911speakout.org/the-pentagon/
I admit your link is a very slick and professional website unlike the amateur C.I.T. investigation.
The only place truth survives is at the level of the individual investigators. C.I.T. comes very close to the truth hence they are never invited, essentially banned from any so called conferences and Sept 11th anniversary truther get togethers and Barbara, Chandler, Barrett, Coste, and all speak ad nauseum.
It is not dividing the truth movement to callout lies. Lies and liars are not truth.
The only thing I didn’t like about CIT is their name. Citizens in general had nothing to do with their commendable investigation. Some names Like Two Guys and a Truck give a humble flavor to a moving company, but when an investigation is entirely the work of two guys, the big CIT just sounds pretentious. Also, I didn’t find their website to be at all amateurish. Other then that, I really appreciate your post, and highly recommend w dot citizeninvestigationteam dot c.
It has a ring to it. I like it. Unpretentious ….”Two men a truck and a pentagon investigation”. Rechristened and renamed. : )
I needed that laugh.
Marsh, the info in the link I posted was produced by people with a long, proven, and respected record of exposing the government’s 9-11 conspiracy myth for what it is – an impossible, intelligence insulting pack of lies. If you or anyone else reading disagrees with any of the evidence or research I’ve linked, please explain why, specifically. Allan believes that James Corbett supports the official fiction, and that claiming Flt77 hit the Pentagon is a lie. He’s wrong on both counts. James Corbett most definitely does not support the government’s 9-11 conspiracy myth, and the evidence strongly indicates that a large plane hit the Pentagon. The best way to support the official conspiracy myth is to divide, discredit, and obstruct the 9-11 truth movement with wild, nonsensical claims like no planes hit the towers, which Allan has done. The evidence *proves* beyond any and all doubt that one plane hit each tower, and also supports a large plane impact at the Pentagon. Anyone who disagrees should point out where the evidence presented here is wrong, and be very specific.
9-11 truth needs to focus on hard evidence and science rather than wild, baseless, or controversial opinions. Note that claiming planes hit the towers and the Pentagon doesn’t mean they were flown by hijackers. The hard evidence also strongly indicates that they were remotely guided. Hani Hanjour couldn’t even fly a single engine Cessna.
http://911speakout.org/the-pentagon/
Gee Hank, looks like Allen was discussing deception, mind control, cognitive dissonance and the like…. please tell us what you are writing about that can turn the tide of zombies?
Hank, you already have an outstanding question you avoided answering at http://blog.banditobooks.com/a-crapola-wrap-up/.
We are still waiting for your reply.
Thanks for the heads-up, Todd. I replied to the question.
If anyone trusts my judgment even a little bit I ask you to trust me on this: ‘Hank’ is a shill. He’ll go away only if you ignore him. (There is a tiny chance that he’s a useful idiot, but i very much doubt it.) Be advised that this is my last reply to one of his comments.
Allan, I’m definitely not a shill. From our email exchanges, you know my full name, and my stance on 9-11 is easy to find using google or by looking at my FB page. I want the 9-11 terrorists behind bars, and I want the illegal, immoral, and unprovoked 9-11 wars of terror to end. And even though you push blatant, bat-shit crazy, no-plane disinformation that makes truthers look like deluded nut jobs and does a lot of harm to the 9-11 truth movement, I don’t think you’re shill, either. I think maybe you just have a very vivid imagination and difficulty analyzing hard evidence logically. The evidence proves beyond any and all doubt that one plane hit each tower, and *every* credible, qualified, and respected 9-11 researcher is in agreement on that proven fact.
The Pentagon strike is less obvious, and in my opinion, the best thing truthers can do is agree to disagree, and focus on proven, non controversial aspects of the Pentagon strike. Why was an allegedly hijacked jet permitted to enter the most secure and heavily guarded airspace on the planet over an hour after the first tower was hit? How did a frail clown who could even fly a Cessna and had never flown a large jet manage to take control of a plane from a burly Vietnam fighter pilot and perform precision high speed aerobatics with a 757? What was the order given by Cheney that was questioned by a young officer as Flt77 approached the Pentagon, and why was it questioned? Was the order followed? Why was Rumsfeld seen doing first responder duties instead of his job after the strike?
It doesn’t matter if it was a missile or a plane.
That’s the trick. Keep arguing about the details and give them time to move on to their next scam.
Mission accomplished. Hey
Barbara Hoenegger is sophisticated disinformation. I found the C.I.T. investigations believable. A plane just flew over the pentagon , landed at the runway nearby, and the building was blown up (missiles, explosives, ??both??). They seem desperate to hold onto the pentagon plane narrative and Barbarra is part of sewing beneficial cognitive diversity, and disinfo in the truther movement. She is not alone in her assigned task. David Chandler who incredibly was given a platform and microphone at the Bldg #7 Nist report hearings, and allowed to pontificate on free fall speeds and credited with exposing the obvious to the world on main stream media, has joined the pentagon fray using his freefall speed truther credibility to assert that yes a large airliner did hit the pentagon. Coste of Archs and Engineers also chimes with Barbara , Chandler , and others that da plane! da plane!. I recommend watch C.I.T.’s work , for a credible view of pentagon Sept 11th festivities.
CIT is not credible. Chandler is.
http://911speakout.org/the-pentagon/
If this were true, this website would long be offline.
Frank, if what was true? Which website would be offline?
Playing the fool, eh ?
I’ll have a lot to say about Barbara as soon as I get where I’m going.
They are “everywhere”, if 2 or more are meeting! Recently, it has come to my attention that all “Christian Churches” are informing their congregations that reiki and yoga are satanic. Wow, distraction? A way to win more congregates? Maybe full out control freaks? The subtext is “you, my sweet coin-dropping followers are too stupid to know evil when you see it. You didn’t even notice your exercise and energy healing are bad news.” Look out your window, folks. Real evil is not threatening us from a yogo studio down the street! The music we cut our teeth on, infiltrated. The churches we attended, infiltrated. The school building and college you attended, infiltrated. The alternative media you follow, infiltrated. FAKEBOOK, infiltrated. The magazine forming the perception that gifted us all the women’s movement, infiltrated. Ok, you catching on yet? Even science fiction groups of the 30’s were infiltrated.
Once a spook, always a spook. Try to find a percentage analysis of security employees! Governing dot com reports some numbers, probably sourced from the fed itself, showing HLS employee numbers closely flanking that of the US Army. Really? If you have not caught on, one item on the agenda of 911 operations was making the US public “the enemy” under the law, widen the war theater to all US soil (target=Earth+space), and dissolve the fragmented belief that remains for the US Constitution. Based on my observations, it worked, sad. The day I watched the screen play on the screen in the executive office where I worked on that fateful day, my first fear was to get the heck out of my home country. I felt palpable fear of the people in my office, as they were watching the screen and believing what they were feed, like honey-laced pablum. I was not in shock at what the beast had done, I was in shock from the fact my neighbors were unable to see through the jargon. This was before I even heard of the movie, Matrix. However, I knew at that moment anyone standing in the room could be an ‘Agent’.
Maybe my half-native DNA is wired for truth. My BS meter has been pegging since the day I arrived on this rock. When the “Perception-Management” actors speak, my hair stands up backwards. I never believed in these personalities, loud and well-funded such as Corbett and Jones. But I have also given up on trying to help others pull the curtain back in Oz. For anyone interested, I do teach private lessons.
Root KSK Rollover is a process where the main key which secures DNS servers participating in DNSSEC is changed.
Basically, in web traffic you have to translate names (e.g. blog.banditobooks.com) to numbers (e.g. 192.254.249.213) and there are certain servers called DNS servers that do that for us. It is like a phone book for computers. Until recently, these translations were done in clear text with no encryption. Some people (it is voluntary) want extra security on these transactions so they sign up with DNSSEC, which encrypts DNS traffic. Keys are exchanged so you can verify that you are the person that owns DNS for a particular name.
There are a number of “Root DNS Servers” that store the “top level” names (.com or .org) and that every other DNS server trusts. They aren’t really servers, more like data centers, but they act like one big server. Anyway, the keys that are used for encryption on those root servers are expiring (keys expire every few years) so they need to be changed and the new key needs to be distributed to all the other lower level DNS servers that participate in DNSSEC.
I know that is fairly complicated but it is like a person changing their ATM pin vs a Bank changing their big ATM pin that they use to communicate with the smaller branch ATM’s.
Hope this helps.
I was looking into something else, came across it, and wondered if it had anything to do with anything of interest to us.
Allan~ My giving my take on the events of the last 100+ years and occasionally including my love of the Lord Jesus Christ is in no way an attempt to get off topic or create a ‘following’. It was simply an opportunity to bring awareness of the correlation between what is happening in the world and point out that the Bible confirms it.
I’m enormously interested in what you and the others here have to bring to the table. This is a great way to share information. I will thus far do even my ‘most best’ to stay on topic (however, please note that if appropriate for the topic, I will include Jesus Christ).
Yes, the PTB are one with the media. It couldn’t be clearer for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.
Allan, very kind regards to you,
~Kimberlie
Kimberlie, please write anything you are inspired to write. All welcome in my eyes, and deep down, I am guessing Allan’s heart approves.
Allan – you recall the ending of ‘The Twilight Zone’, yaknow, “Dya wanta see something reallllly scary?”. Well, where (I imagine) Kimberlie is going will knock your socks off.
C’mon, betchya, betchya, gotta let me send you some links (privately).
Hi Green Duncan~
Nope. I’m not going anywhere close to your Twilight Zone analogy. I have no desire to bite the bait you’ve been dangling out here. Not even remotely close. I suggest you go back to your mommy, hold her hand, and have her walk you back to the sandbox to play.
Please note: I’ve been patient with you. I will not respond to any more of your ‘playtime’ antics. Come to the table with an intelligent post that will inspire me/us to seek further into the Truth, and I will be more than willing to respond. Right now, you are just wasting my/our time.
Green Duncan, I bid you peace. Kind regards,
~Kimberlie
Kim, in answer to your request for permission to copy and print my comment on Logan’s page. My permission is not required since everything said in these forums are public. Thanks for the interest.
Metatoast~ Thank you for sharing. I asked simply as a matter of courtesy.
Kind regards,
~Kimberlie
Hi Kimberlie,
Sorry, seems like I misread your meaning, guessed wrong. Took the wind out of my sails and I feel like a schmuck. The last thing I’m doing here is wasting anyone’s time. Re: the lovely piece of theatre at the end of The Twilight Zone, nothing bad there – and that reference is a private one for Allan going back to an old exchange with him, indicating extreme surprise. When you write Truth (with a capital ‘T’) that is a specific reference in some circles to the divine. My mind is drawn to explore this (I don’t have a choice, by the way) but I abhor all organizations on religious anything, all churches, and even synagogues, but want to hug and schmooze with every rabbi I meet. Life is short, and these guys are fun. I realize now I don’t know your mind or intentions at all. Forgive me.
Peace to you, too, sincerely, and have a nice day. – Duncan
Green Duncan~ Thank you for your sincere, humble (and humbling) apology. There is One Truth. Yes, it is Divine Truth. We are in a Spiritual Warfare of Good vs. Evil. God vs. Satan. Heaven or Hell will be the eternal place according to the Choice we must make. Not making that Choice constitutes a choice made.
I thank and appreciate you for your sincere apology. Clearly, a misunderstanding can/will happen in a venue such as this. Your apology is accepted!….Seven times seventy.
Most sincere and kind regards to you Green Duncan.
~Kimberlie
Back to the threads of interest to readers/posters, and the subjects indicated
by Allan, as it’s his blog-forum. Not trotting off on this tangent, not here, not now. Plenty of places elsewhere for that.
Miles, just FYI I added a screenshot of my purchase of The Leftovers to the current post. 😉
I remember your recommending The Leftovers and did buy a dvd of Season One; I take recommendations seriously. I did look for your name to give credit for linking us to Barbara’s presentation but gave up; so many comments. Thanks, Miles.
That was me that suggested the Barbara Honeggar lecture. You’re welcome. Lou did ask for names to be named and experts and what not.
I am not a troll and will always use my real name. Bring it on spooks.
I also recommend that you watch “The Leftovers”. I realize the comments section has become a massive time suck, but…
Ostensibly, it is about a small percentage of the populace vanishing without explanation and the story focuses on those, well, leftover.
Lou’s comments remind me that we are the leftovers. I have family, friends, co-workers, loved ones that just disappeared that day. Not killed, mind you, but gone, not unlike Lou.
Anyway, I’m still interested in your take on it.
Peace and love and stuff.
Tell us what you imagine is false in the research linked below? Please be very specific and provide proof for any disagreement.
http://911speakout.org/the-pentagon/
Why don’t you answer Allan’s question (http://blog.banditobooks.com/a-crapola-wrap-up/) to you Henry? It’s waiting for your replay Henry.
You can answer here if you like.
You gonna give us a ‘reveal’?
I answered it a while back. Your turn – or anyone else who tries to divide, discredit, and obstruct the 9-11 truth movement by endlessly and wrongly insisting that no plane hit the Pentagon. Talk about beating a dead horse – this one turned into compost years ago…
Tell us what you imagine is false in the research linked below? Please be very specific and provide proof for any disagreement.
http://911speakout.org/the-pentagon/
It’s obvious to a CHILD that no plane hit the pentagon.
What, are you guys THAT afraid that the keyboard revolutionaries are going to actually come for your paymasters when they finally discover ‘the truth’?
Sad. Sad, sad stuff.
17 years later, still working hard.
What a pathetic gig you have.